Astronomy and Cosmology
Used with permission of the compiler.
Originally published in 2010, these quotes were compiled by Willem Vandenberg (Varnadi das), who joined ISKCON in Amsterdam in 1990. He served in the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust in Sweden as a translator and editor and as a manager of one of its sub-complexes. After officially leaving ISKCON in 2010 he went on to further his career as a computer programmer in higher education. He now lives in Texas and enjoys life reading, writing, and traveling the world.
Prabhupada in His Own Words
Astronomy and Cosmology
What follows is an extensive list of quotes from Bhaktivedanta Swami, the founder of the Hare Krishna movement, on the topic of science. Despite the repeated claim that his own cult is scientific and his books are scholarly, the Swami had absolutely no tolerance for any kind of modern science that did not support his ideas and doctrines.
Modern science and its practitioners are in general condemned as criminal, untrustworthy, and cheating. Everything presented by modern science must be questioned and scrutinized against the gold standard of Bhaktivedanta Swami’s understanding of the ancient Indian myths and legends — unless it even remotely supports it, in which case it will be instantly and blindly accepted without further question.
Like in many other areas, here too Bhaktivedanta Swami applies his so-called “bubble-scope” — his personal experiences define the limits of substance and events. Things and events everywhere else must be like things and events as he knows them to be. Excellent examples in this regard are the dust and temperatures on the Moon. Bhaktivedanta Swami sees plants grow in dust and sand here on Earth, so it should be like that on the Moon, too. In the same fashion he expects life in the extreme temperatures of the Moon because there is life at the North Pole…
This particular section deals with Astronomy and Cosmology, of which neither Bhaktivedanta Swami, nor his disciples, appear to understand much.
BG 10.21, purport
Among all the luminaries shining in the sky, the sun is the chief, and in the Brahma-samhita the sun is accepted as the glowing eye of the Supreme Lord. There are fifty varieties of wind blowing in space, and of these winds the controlling deity, Marici, represents Krishna. Among the stars, the Moon is the most prominent at night, and thus the Moon represents Krishna. It appears from this verse that the Moon is one of the stars; therefore the stars that twinkle in the sky also reflect the light of the sun. The theory that there are many suns within the universe is not accepted by Vedic literature. The sun is one, and as by the reflection of the sun the Moon illuminates, so also do the stars. Since Bhagavad-gita indicates herein that the Moon is one of the stars, the twinkling stars are not suns but are similar to the Moon.
[The Moon is counted as the chief of the nakshatras (luminaries with influence, of which there are 27) because it exerts the greatest influence. This refers to Indian astrology in which the Moon represents the most important of the senses: the mind. Any connection to astronomy is misinterpretation and speculation on Bhaktivedanta Swami’s part.]
SB 1.15.12, purport
The Moon is also on the level with the heavenly planets, and only persons who have performed virtues only — performing sacrifices, giving charity and undergoing severe austerities — can be allowed to enter into the heavenly planets after the duration of life of the body. Arjuna was allowed to enter into the heavenly planets in the selfsame body simply by the grace of the Lord, otherwise it is not possible to do so. The present attempts to enter into the heavenly planets by the modern scientists will certainly prove futile because such scientists are not on the level of Arjuna. They are ordinary human beings, without any assets of sacrifice, charity or austerities.
SB 2.3.11, purport
The gross materialists do not believe in the existence of God or the demigods. Nor do they believe that different planets are dominated by different demigods. They are creating a great commotion about reaching the closest celestial body, Candraloka, or the Moon, but even after much mechanical research they have only very scanty information of this Moon, and in spite of much false advertisement for selling land on the Moon, the puffed-up scientists or gross materialists cannot live there, and what to speak of reaching the other planets, which they are unable even to count.
SB 2.7.1, purport
The floating of the planets in the weightless air is due to the inner constitution of the globes, and the modernized drilling of the earth to exploit oil from within is a sort of disturbance by the modern demons and can result in a greatly harmful reaction to the floating condition of the earth.
SB 5.16.4, purport
Modern scientists and astronomers try to explain the cosmic situation and the vastness of space, and some of them believe that all the glittering stars are different suns. From Bhagavad-gita, however, we understand that all these stars (naksatras) are like the Moon, in that they reflect the sunshine [BG 15.12]. They are not independent luminaries.
SB 5.17.4, purport
How the Ganges water reaches the various planets from the top of the universe is explained herein. Celestial airplanes carry the water from the planets of the sages to other planets. So-called advanced scientists of the modern age are trying to go to the higher planets, but at the same time they are experiencing a power shortage on earth. If they were actually capable scientists, they could personally go by airplane to other planets, but this they are unable to do. Having now given up their Moon excursions, they are attempting to go to other planets, but without success.
SB 5.23.3, purport
According to the description of this verse, the hundreds and thousands of stars and the great planets such as the sun, the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars and Jupiter are not clustered together because of the law of gravity or any similar idea of the modern scientists. These planets and stars are all servants of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Govinda or Krishna, and according to His order they sit in their chariots and travel in their respective orbits.
SB 5.24.3, purport
Although Rahu attempts to attack both the sun and the Moon, they are protected by Lord Visnu. Being very afraid of Lord Visnu’s cakra, Rahu cannot stay in front of the sun or Moon for more than a muhurta (forty-eight minutes). The phenomenon that occurs when Rahu blocks the light of the sun or Moon is called an eclipse. The attempt of the scientists of this earth to go to the Moon is as demoniac as Rahu’s attack. Of course, their attempts will be failures because no one can enter the Moon or sun so easily. Like the attack of Rahu, such attempts will certainly be failures.
SB 6.4.6, purport
It is understood from this verse that the predominating deity of the Moon is the maintainer of all the trees and plants throughout the universe. It is due to the moonshine that trees and plants grow very luxuriantly. Therefore how can we accept the so-called scientists whose Moon expeditions have informed us that there are no trees or vegetation on the Moon? Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura says, somo vrksadhisthata sa eva vrksanam raja: Soma, the predominating deity of the Moon, is the king of all vegetation. How can we believe that the maintainer of vegetation has no vegetation on his own planet?
SB 7.4.5-7, purport
The word garuda in this verse indicates that there are planets of great birds like Garuda. Similarly, the word uraga indicates that there are planets of enormous serpents. Such a description of the various planets of the universe may challenge modern scientists who think that all planets but this earth are vacant. These scientists claim to have launched excursions to the Moon, where they have found no living entities but only big craters full of dust and stone, although in fact the Moon is so brilliant that it acts like the sun in illuminating the entire universe. Of course, it is not possible to convince modern scientists of the Vedic information about the universe. Nonetheless, we are not very much impressed by the words of scientists who say that all other planets are vacant and that only the earth is full of living entities.
SB 7.4.17, purport
Modern scientists attempt excursions to other planets, but they have no information of how many different types of oceans and seas there are within the universe. According to their experience, the Moon is full of dust, but this does not explain how it gives us soothing rays from a distance of millions of miles. As far as we are concerned, we follow the authority of Vyasadeva and Sukadeva Gosvami, who have described the universal situation according to the Vedic literature. These authorities differ from modern scientists who conclude from their imperfect sensual experience that only this planet is inhabited by living beings whereas the other planets are all vacant or full of dust.
SB 7.14.36, purport
Modern scientists and so-called scholars think that there are no living entities on planets other than this one. Recently they have said that they have gone to the Moon but did not find any living entities there. But Srimad-Bhagavatam and the other Vedic literatures do not agree with this foolish conception.
SB 8.5.34, purport
Soma, the predominating deity of the Moon, is the source of food grains and therefore the source of strength even for the celestial beings, the demigods. He is the vital force for all vegetation. Unfortunately, modern so-called scientists, who do not fully understand the Moon, describe the Moon as being full of deserts. Since the Moon is the source for our vegetation, how can the Moon be a desert? The moonshine is the vital force for all vegetation, and therefore we cannot possibly accept that the Moon is a desert.
SB 10.3.27, purport
In this connection, it may be noted that the Moon is one of the heavenly planets. From the Vedic literature we understand that one who goes to the Moon receives a life with a duration of ten thousand years in which to enjoy the fruits of pious activities. If our so-called scientists are going to the Moon, why should they come back here? We must conclude without a doubt that they have never gone to the Moon. To go to the Moon, one must have the qualification of pious activities. Then one may go there and live. If one has gone to the Moon, why should he return to this planet, where life is of a very short duration?
CC, Madhya 19.138, purport
This is a challenge to so-called scientists and philosophers who presume that there are living entities on this planet only. So-called scientists are going to the Moon, and they say that there is no life there. … Why should we deny the existence of living entities on this or that planet? Those who have claimed to have gone to the Moon have not gone there, or else with their imperfect vision they cannot actually perceive the particular type of living entities there.
NOD, Happiness in Krishna Consciousness
Though the modern astronauts go to the Moon with the help of spaceships, they undergo many difficulties, whereas a person with mystic perfection can extend his hand and touch the Moon with his finger.
EJTOP, Antimaterial Worlds
Scientists who are attempting to explore outer space in an attempt to reach other planets by mechanical means must realize that organisms adapted to the atmosphere of the earth cannot exist in the atmospheres of other planets. As such, man’s attempts to reach the Moon, the sun, or Mars will be completely futile because of the different atmospheres prevailing on those planets.
BG 7.18, New York, October 12, 1966
Just like modern scientists. They are calculating that the Moon is full of dust, but according to Vedic literature Moon is not full of dust. There are also higher living entities. And from…, from your practical reason also, you can just understand that a lump of dust cannot be so brilliant so that it is illuminating the whole earth. It is not possible. Anyway, let the scientists go on with their own research work. So far we have got information from Vedic literature, all the planets — sun planet, Moon planet, Venus — they are all full of living entities, and they have got different types of body.
[A tell-tale signature of Bhaktivedanta Swami’s reasoning showing up over and over again — the bubble-scope: his personal experience defines the limits of substance and events. Dust everywhere else must be like dust as he knows it to be. Sand everywhere else must be like sand as he knows it to be. Etc.]
BG 8.15-20, New York, November 17, 1966
Your modern scientists have calculated that if we want to go to the highest planet, it will take — this same speed of sputnik, twenty thousand miles per hour — still, it will take forty thousands of years to reach the highest planet. That is the scientific view.
[Elsewhere Bhaktivedanta Swami stated that the number is eighteen thousand miles per hour, or that it would take 40,000 years at light speed to reach the highest planet, which is more than 600 million miles per hour. The difference is significant, as the above referenced speed amounts to a distance of seven billion miles, whereas 40,000 light years amount to six trillion miles. Neither matches the alleged distance from Earth to Brahmaloka (elsewhere clarified by Bhaktivedanta Swami as the “highest planet”), which is approximately two billion miles.]
SB 12.2.1, San Francisco, March 18, 1968
Just like we are studying the Moon. So many scientists were engaged to study the Moon. Every day we read something about Moon. And in Bhagavata you see that the Moon is very cold planet, and there people drink soma-rasa. And the other day I was reading in the paper, the temperature is 200 degrees less than zero. Just you can imagine how cold it is. So how we can go there? Cannot go to Canada because when it is below zero degree, you are you so unhappy. And it is, if we accept the statement of the scientists, it is 200 degrees below zero. So how you can go there? At once you’ll die, immediately.
[It never fails to amaze me how Bhaktivedanta Swami will reject whatever scientific findings do not fit his viewpoint, but will accept on face-value whatever even remotely agrees with it, regardless if it comes from the same source.]
Lecture, Seattle, October 7, 1968
It is not a fact in other planets there is no life. That is a nonsense. Every planet there is life, but they have got different situation, different atmosphere. The Moon planet is very cold. Even the modern scientists, they agree that the temperature in the Moon planet is below two hundred degree zero. So it is very cold.
BG 7.1, Los Angeles, December 2, 1968
Just like people are trying to go to the Moon planet, very tiny effort. Even they go to the Moon planet, they’ll be not very much benefited, because the scientists say the Moon planet is below 200 degrees zero point. So we cannot tolerate the cold climate of this planet, how we shall be benefited even we go to the Moon planet? And Moon planet is the nearest planet. There are millions of other planets also, and the scientists say that to reach the highest, topmost planet, it will take forty thousands of years. And who is going to live for forty thousand years to go and come back?
SB 5.5.2, Boston, April 28, 1969
Just like you are trying to go to the Moon planet. You cannot go because your body is not purified to stay there. Just like in your American country you do not allow everyone — there is check by the immigration department, what class of men you shall admit — similarly, you cannot enter in the Moon planet by force unless you are purified. Or the temperature, the atmosphere, is so severe there, it is unfit. It is the statement of the scientists who are trying to go there that the temperature is below two hundred degrees zero. So how you can live there?
Lecture at Engagement, Columbus, may 19, 1969
You are trying to go to the Moon planet, you are trying to go to the sun planet or you can go any other planet. There are millions of planets. And the highest planet is called Brahmaloka. And modern scientists say that to reach to the highest planet in this universe it will take forty thousands of years.
Lecture, London, September 26, 1969
Don’t think in the sun planet there is no living entities. That is a wrong conception. As in this planet there are living entities, similarly, in the sun planet also, there are living entities, but their bodies are differently constructed. Just like your body is differently constructed. You cannot remain in the water. But the fishes, the aquatics, they can remain in the water. It is the question of construction of the body. But you cannot say that “Because I cannot live in the water, therefore nobody can live in the water.” That is nonsense. This is nonsense. So they, our scientists are so-called nonsense only. They say, “No, there cannot be any existence of living entity in the Moon pla…, Moon planet or sun planet.” They say like that. But our Vedic literature does not say like that.
SB 6.1.32, Surat, December 16, 1970
And the Moon planet is a different thing from this planet. And the scientists, they are thinking that the sun planet being fiery, there cannot be any living entity. No. There are. There are living entities. Their bodies are also fiery. Fire is also one of the elements.
SB 7.7.19-20, Bombay, March 18, 1971
The material scientists, they have no information of atma. Therefore they think that in the Moon planet there is no life, in the sun planet there is no life. Simply… This is kupa-manduka-nyaya. Dr. Frog PhD., he’s thinking in his own way. Dr. Frog thinks that this three feet dimension of the well is all in all, there cannot be anything. These rascal philosopher and rascal scientist, they think in that way, Dr. Frog. There cannot be Atlantic Ocean. That three feet dimension, well water is sufficient. Therefore we have to receive knowledge from authorities. We cannot speculate. Speculation will not help us in approaching the real destination.
Pandal Lecture at Cross Maidan, Bombay, March 26, 1971
Just like in the material science they are trying to go to the Moon planet or other planets also by certain standard of speed in the sputnik. (aside:) It is not working? (microphone comes back on) They are finding it difficult even to go to the Moon planet, which is the nearest planet to the earth. And there are innumerable other planets. And the modern scientists calculate that the highest planet, if we want to go there, it will take the sputnik speed, which is running eighteen thousand miles per hour, in that speed if we go forty thousands of years, we can reach the highest planetary system within this material world.
Radhastami, London, August 29, 1971
Just like here in the material world they’re trying to go to the Moon planet, but these foolish people do not know what they’ll gain even they go to the Moon planet. It is one of the material planets. Krishna has already said in the Bhagavad-gita, abrahma-bhuvanal lokan. What to speak of this Moon planet — it is very near — even if you go to the topmost planet, which is known as Brahmaloka… That is in your front, you can see every day, every night, how many lokas and planets are there. But you cannot go there. You are simply trying to go to the nearest planet. That is also failure. So what is your scientific improvement? But there is possibility. A-brahma-bhuvanal lokan. You can go. The material scientists’ calculation is that if one goes forward for forty thousands of years in the light speed, light-year speed, then one can approach the topmost planet of this material world. So at least in the modern scientific calculation, it is impossible.
BG 4.1, Delhi, November 10, 1971
The scientists say that to go the topmost planet of this universe, it will take forty thousands of years in the light year speed. But you can see there are so many planets. Just like you are trying to go to the Moon planet, similarly there are other planets, but you cannot go. It is so big, beyond your reach.
Lecture at Caitanya Matha, Visakhapatnam, February 19, 1972
The scientists say that the sun is rotating in its orbit so carefully that if it moves from one side, the whole universe will be immediately turned into ice, and if it moves the other side, then immediately the whole universe will be ablaze. So carefully, yasya ajnaya bhramati. The scientists have seen so far that the sun is moving very carefully. Neither this side nor that side, exactly in the orbit. So who has ordered, who has planned this orbit?
Speech, New Vrindaban, August 31, 1972
Just like modern scientists, they’re trying to go to other planets but they’re conditioned, they cannot go. We can see. There are millions and trillions of planets before us — the sun planet, the Moon planet, the Venus, the Mars. Sometimes we wish, “How I could go there.” But because I am conditioned, I’m not independent, I cannot go.
SB 1.3.22, Los Angeles, September 27, 1972
The Moon planet, that is one of the heavenly planets, and if anyone can go there, he gets ten thousands of years span of life. And the standard of living is very higher than this planet. These are the description in the Vedic literature. In the Bhagavad-gita also, it is said, yanti deva-vrata devan [BG 9.25]. If you want to be promoted to a heavenly planets, then you just perform the duties to please the particular demigod, you’ll be… So these materialist scientists, they are thinking that they can go anywhere by the force of their so-called scientific advancement. But it has not proved successful till now. But still, they will say, “Yes, in future we shall go.” All right, in future. “Trust no future, however pleasant.” That’s all.
Letter to: Krishnadasa, Vrindaban, November 7, 1972
It appears that you are again constantly disturbed by the same nonsense doubts. These things are not very important, we may not waste our time with these insignificant questions. If we are seeking to find out some fault, maya will give us all facility to find any small thing and make it very big, that is maya. But such questions as yours: why there is so-called discrepancy between the views of Bhagavat and modern scientists regarding the Moon and other planets, and whether Hitler is good or bad man, these are most insignificant matters, and for anyone who is sincerely convinced that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, for him these questions do not arise. Our information comes from Vedas, and if we believe Krishna, that
bhavisyani ca bhutani
mam tu veda na kascana
that He knows everything, and vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyo vedanta-krd veda-vid eva caham [BG 15.15], that Krishna is non-different from Vedas, then these questions do not arise.
But because you have asked me, I am your spiritual master, I must try to answer to your satisfaction. Yes, sometimes in Vedas such things like the asura’s decapitated head chasing after Candraloka, sometimes it is explained allegorically. Just like now we are explaining in 4th Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam the story of King Puranjana. Just like the living entity is living within this body, and the body is described there as city with nine gates, the intelligence as the Queen. So there are sometimes allegorical explanations. So there are many things which do not corroborate with the so-called modern science, because they are explained in that way. But where is the guarantee that modern science is also correct? So we are concerned with Krishna Consciousness, and even though there is some difference of opinion between modern science and allegorical explanation in the Bhagavat, we have to take the essence of Srimad-Bhagavatam and utilize it for our higher benefit, without bothering about the correctness of the modern science or the allegorical explanation sometimes made in Srimad-Bhagavatam. But this is a fact that in each and every planet there is a predominant deity, as we have got experience in this planet there is a president, so it is not wonderful when the predominating deity fights with another predominating deity of another planet. The modern science takes everything as dead stone. We take it for granted that everything is being manipulated by a person in each and every affair of the cosmology. The modern scientists however could not make any progress in the understanding of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, therefore we do not accept modern science as very perfect. We take Krishna’s version:
gam avisya ca bhutani
dharayamy aham ojasa
pusnami causadhih sarvah
somo bhutvah rasatmakah
“I become the Moon,” and yac chandramasi yac cagnau, (ibid, 12) “I am the splendor of the Moon,” and jyotisam api taj jyotis, [BG 13.18] “I am the source of light in all luminous objects,” so no one is able to give us the correct information than Krishna, that you should know.
Regarding Hitler, so Hitler may be good man or bad man, so what does he help to our Krishna Consciousness movement? But it is a fact that much propaganda was made against him, that much I know, and the Britishers are first-class propagandists. And I have heard that his officers did everything without informing him, just like in our ISKCON there are so many false things: “Prabhupada said this, Prabhupada said that.” But we have nothing to do with Hitler in our Krishna Consciousness. Do not be deviated by such ideas. Jnanam jneyam jnana-gamyam, (ibid), Krishna is knowledge, He is the object of knowledge, He is the goal of knowledge, and
yo mam evam asammudho
sa sarva-vid bhajati mam
“Whoever knows Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without doubting, is to be understood as the knower of everything, and he engages himself therefore in devotional service” — this is the understanding of advanced devotee, so my best advice to you is to agree to come to this understanding.
SB 1.8.31, Los Angeles, April 23, 1973
They’re trying to go to the Moon planet. Actually they do not know what it is. Actually. Then why they’re coming back? If they knew it perfectly, what it is, then they would have resided there by this time. They are trying for the last twenty years. Simply they are seeing: “Not this. There is no living entities. There is no possibility of our living there.” So many “Nos.” And what is yes? No, they do not know. And this is only one planet or one star. The Moon planet is taken as star. The scientists, they say the stars are all suns, but according to our information, in the Bhagavad-gita: naksatranam aham sasi. Sasi means the Moon is just like so many stars. So what is the position of the Moon? Moon is bright being reflection of the sun. So according to our calculation the sun is one. But the modern scientists say that there are so many suns, the stars. We don’t agree. This is only one universe. There are many suns, innumerable, but in each and every sun, every universe, there is one sun, not many.
SB 5.5.1-8, Stockholm, September 8, 1973
The scientists calculate it will take forty thousands of years to reach there by the light year. So they are so much proud of material science. They see the sun, the Moon. They cannot go there. Cannot go there. There are so many planets; we see at night. They are actually planets like this planet. But who can go there?
BG 13.8-12, Bombay, October 2, 1973
You cannot go to the nearest planet, even the Moon planet, by your mechanical arrangement. The modern scientists, the sputniks experts, they say to go the topmost planet of this universe it will take forty thousands of years. Who is going for forty thousand, flying forty thousands of years and again come back and see you: “Yes, I went to such and such planet.” Is it possible? So we are so poor. It is not possible in that way.
BG 13.18, Bombay, October 12, 1973
Each planet has got different atmosphere. Therefore these people, they cannot understand what is the atmosphere. They understand. Some scientists, they say the atmosphere in the Moon planet is two hundred degrees below zero. So there are difference of scientists’ opinion, but according to Vedic literature we understand that there are innumerable planets, and one of the planets is the Moon planet. Naksatranam aham sasi. Naksatranam: “Among the stars and planets,” Krishna says, “I am the Moon.”
Morning Walk, December 10, 1973
There are many invisible planets and stars. For example, when the Rahu planet passes before the sun and Moon, there is an eclipse. But the scientists describe an eclipse differently. Actually, the Rahu planet causes an eclipse. There are many questionable points regarding the modern scientists’ theory of the eclipse. Their explanation is incorrect according to Vedic information.
Morning Walk, Los Angeles, January 3, 1974
Prabhupada: Uh, so, this is a bad sign. Constellation. According to astronomical calculations. Therefore we, we follow the astrology according to the constellation. The child born, everything has connection, the constellation of the star has influence on the child. So therefore the horoscope-maker takes the calculation of the constellation and then calculate what is his future. This dhumaketu is described in Dasavatara-stotra, dhumaketum iva kim api karalam. Dhumaketum iva. Dhumaketum iva kim api karalam. As soon as there is comet, there will be some disaster. Very great disaster. In our childhood we saw the comet, not this like. That was small comet. Still, the first world war was there declared. That we have seen in 1914.
Nara-narayana: Halley’s comet.
Nara-narayana: I think they called it Halley’s comet. Halley’s comet.
Prabhupada: Now the… You can expect at any moment disaster in this material world, but the comet is the sign that there will be some great disaster. It is… This material world, in every step there is disaster. Padam padam yad vipadam. But those who have taken shelter of Krishna, the disaster is not meant for them. Samasrita ye pada-pallava-plavam. Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. So how big it is?
Gurukrpa: Very big.
Gurukrpa: It was very spectacular. Something like twenty miles.
Prabhupada: Twenty miles?
Yasodanandana: Maybe at least fifty, sixty miles the four, five first flashes, very big. Let’s see. From this tree all the way to the end of this tennis court, all over the sky. Big white flashings. Like big huge incredible lightning. Then afterwards it decreased, and then regularly, every thirty, forty-five seconds, there was big lightning. Not lightning, big flashes. Very uncommon.
Jayatirtha: The scientists say that it’s eighty-three million miles long…
Jayatirtha: The scientists, they say that it’s 83 million miles long, the comet.
Prabhupada: 83 miles?
Jayatirtha: 83 million miles.
Karandhara: The tail.
Karandhara: The tail is 83 million miles. It’s going fast, very forward, so it’s emitting a tail of gases.
Prabhupada: So who is supplying the gas? (laughter) The Arabians?
Jayatirtha: There’s no shortage.
Gurukrpa: When it comes to doing the kirtana, there’s no energy shortage for us. We have unlimited stock.
Prabhupada: By presence of the comet, the atmosphere is also polluted. Last time, what I saw, it was like this. Round and then tail. It is like that?
Gurukrpa: A long streak. It was behind the clouds. There were many clouds, and you could see it through the clouds.
Prabhupada: What is the speed? If it is 83 million miles, very heavy thing, then the speed must be also.
Karandhara: Well, the speed is very great. I don’t know exactly what it is, but it’s millions of miles per hour. Perhaps not millions of miles. Hundreds of thousands of miles per hour.
Prajapati: There must be living entities then on the comet. Yes, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Oh yes. Everywhere there are living entities.
Jayatirtha: Scientists are very excited about the comet because they think that it’s made of the primordial substance of the universe and they think they’ll be able to find out some clue how the solar system was created by examining the comet with their telescopes. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Let them talk all nonsense. We say in Bengali, pagale ki na bole, chagale ki na khaya. The goat can eat everything, and a madman can speak anything. (laughter) Pagale ki na khaya…, pagale ki na bole, chagale ki na khaya.
Prajapati: Are the living entities on the comet, are they very demoniac or intelligent or…?
Prabhupada: Not necessarily demoniac. Two classes of men are always there: intelligent and demon. [break]
Morning Walk, Los Angeles, January 3, 1974
Nara-narayana: …effect of comet?
Prabhupada: No, generally we know when there is comet, there is very bad effect.
Prajapati: The comet doesn’t really bring the bad effect. It simply is a symptom. Is that it?
Prajapati: The comet doesn’t bring the bad effect, it is a symptom.
Prabhupada: No, yes, bring, bring.
Prajapati: It does bring it.
Prajapati: Does such a comet affect consciousness as well as matter?
Prabhupada: Eh? Comet is just like a planet. It is a vehicle carrying so many conscious beings. It is just like if some policeman all of a sudden comes before us, it is to be supposed that someone is criminal, he’s searching. Like that.
Public Speech, Bad Homburg, Germany, June 22, 1974
Just like the scientists say that in the Moon planet the temperature is two hundred degrees below zero. Similarly, in the sun planet, the temperature is very, very high, hundred and thousand times degrees above the normal.
Reporters Interview, Melbourne, June 29, 1974
Just like the Moon planet. It is… The temperature is 200 degree below zero. So you cannot go and live there. But there are living entities who can live there. Just like even on this planet, there are living entities in the Arctic region, but for us it is very difficult to live there. And there are different climatic influences. Even on this planet. One place is suitable for one kind of man, another place is suitable for another. Just like we are Indian. We cannot tolerate such, I mean, what is called, pinching, cool. So similarly, in India you cannot tolerate scorching heat. So for each and every planet there are different patterns of living entities. They can live. Just like you cannot live within water. For that reason you cannot say nobody can live in the water. That is foolishness. You cannot live. You say. So there are so many fishes, varieties of fishes. They are living. Don’t carry your present experience to others. That is not very good argument. Now, here the so-called scientists, they are saying in other planets there is no living entity. Why? They are putting so many reasons, that “This is lacking. This is lacking.” But what do you know, what is lacking and how…? These things are not accepted. You do not know anything about the other planets. How you say there is no living entity?
SB 3.25.8, Bombay, November 8, 1974
This nature, we can, although we cannot reach, there are millions and trillions of stars glittering in the evening. We can see simply. Simply we can see. We cannot go even to the Moon star. Moon is also a star, nearest star. That’s all. Similarly, all these stars, they are like Moon. Naksatranam aham sasi. Krishna says, naksatranam. They are naksatra. The naksatra, the modern science, they say they are all suns. No. They are like Moon, glittering. If we have to believe our sastra. Naksatranam aham sasi. So we cannot even go to the nearest planet, nearest star, and what to speak of going beyond?
SB 3.25.33-34, Bombay, December 3, 1974
Similarly, these so-called scientists, they are thinking that nobody can live in the sun planet. “There is no life.” That is wrong. They have got a separate type of body — they can live in the fire. That is the information. There is also towns. There is also palaces. Everything is there. But they are made of fire. We cannot understand that. In the fire you cannot live. In the water you cannot live. But there are living entities. Just like you see in the beach there are crabs. They are living within the sands, but you cannot live. That does not mean in the sand there is no life. There is life. Life sarva-gah. It is said life can exist everywhere, either in the fire or in the water or in the earth or in the air. We are practically experiencing. So everywhere there is life. So… But different position. As you cannot enter in this body either in the Moon planet or in the sun planet, similarly, unless you are fully qualified devotee, you cannot enter into the Vaikuntha planets. You have to live outside.
SB 6.1.1, Melbourne, May 21, 1975
There are many planetary system above the sun. We have already discussed, above the sun… The Moon planet is above the sun. The Moon planet is not so near.
Morning Walk, Honolulu, June 2, 1975
Harikesa: So the other moons that rotate around Saturn and Jupiter…
Prabhupada: Other Moon? There is no other Moon.
Harikesa: So they’re just planets?
Paramahamsa: The Moon is not rotating around the earth. The Moon is further away than the sun.
Harikesa: The Moon is further away than the sun. Wow! (laughs)
SB 6.1.6, Honolulu, June 8, 1975
They are… They were — not are — trying to go to the Moon planet, but that has become a failure. From sastra we understand that the Moon planet is situated 1,600,000 miles away from the sun, and the sun is situated in the middle of the universe. And the total diameter from one circumference to the other of the universe it is four billions of miles. So the sun is situated at the point of two billions of miles from the circumference of the universe, and above the sun planet, 1,600,000, there is the Moon. And above that there is Venus, there is Jupiter, there is Mars — all difference of 1,600,000 of miles. So it is not possible to go to the Moon planet. Because first of all the sun is a little… According to the modern scientists calculation it is 93,000,0000. Taking it, accepted as 93,000,000’s from this earthly planet, then again add 1,600,000, that means 94,600,000 miles away from the earth there is the Moon planet. It is not possible. Therefore they are now silent. They cannot go there; neither ever they went there. This is the conclusion. So that is a controversial point, controversial, but we have to see the result. According to Vedic culture, one has to judge by the result. Not by if you simply talk nonsense, one has to accept. What is the result? Suppose if one says that “I have done very good business. I have earned so much money I have got in bank balance…” You can say all these thing. But one sees that a prosperous businessman has got a nice house, nice motorcar, his standard of living is very nice. But if he is loitering in the street, has no good dress, and if he advertises himself that “I am a very big businessman. I have got so much money,” who will believe him? Similarly, this Moon planet expedition is, up to this date, it is a failure. So how can I believe that they have gone there?
Morning Walk, Mauritius, October 5, 1975
A three-feet well, and a frog is there and he is thinking, “This is everything.” And some friend comes and informs, “Oh, I have seen very big water, Atlantic.” He simply imagines, “Oh? It’s big? How much big? One feet more? All right, two feet. All right, three feet,” like that. So the frogs in the well, they cannot understand. You should be not a frog in the well; you should be liberal to hear from the authorities, Vedas. Then you will understand. And if you remain a frog in the well… All these rascal scientists, they are all frog in the well. They have got little calculation of this planet, and they have no information of… There are so many millions of planets. What do they know? They cannot, could not study even this Moon planet. Wrongly study. The Moon planet is above the sun planet, 1,000,600,000 miles above. What do they know? They are thinking the Moon planet is in between the earth and the… So the all wrong calculation.
Morning Walk, Bombay, November 7, 1975
Yes. And planet is 1,006,000 miles above, above. And Saturday, Saturn is the last. So now sun is calculated to be 93,000,000’s miles from earth, and if the Moon is still further 1,600,000, then it becomes about fifteen hundred thousand miles. No. Fifteen million miles. So how they are going, in four days, fifteen million?
Morning Walk, Bombay, November 17, 1975
Prabhupada: [break] …modern, that the earth comes in front of the Moon or the sun and then there is eclipse. Do they not?
Dr. Patel: They, all the scientists also say the same thing, sir. When it comes in the straight line the eclipse…
Prabhupada: No, no, no. I am saying, repeating their word. But why, then, eclipse takes place irregularly?
Dr. Patel: This is a question of simple harmonic motions according to the scientists here who explain it. The simple harmonic motion principle is that several motions are, I mean, going, gathered at a time. Then all of them come together. Then you see that thing occurs.
Dr. Patel: So that motions are different. The different timings come.
Prabhupada: But that means they do not know actually the motions.
Dr. Patel: And the old astrologers and scientists of India, they have planned it perfectly, when it comes out.
Prabhupada: Our sastra says that it is Rahu’s attack. So attack does not come regularly.
Dr. Patel: That you may call allegorically.
Prabhupada: One… Suppose you have got enemy. You are not going to attack regularly, but when there is some opportunity you go to attack. Harer nama [CC Adi 17.21].
Dr. Patel: Are we not observing this eclipse rituals, that, during the eclipse we stop aratis and all of this…
Dr. Patel: And after the eclipse is over, take bath and then do the arati?
Prabhupada: Yes, they take bath.
Dr. Patel: Even the other Vaisnava mandirs don’t do arati during that period if it comes within that…
Prabhupada: Hare Krishna.
Dr. Patel: Some sort of cosmic disturbances must be occurring in the cosmos during this period of grhana(?) or eclipse. We do not know, the modern science. Some movement must be happening.
Prabhupada: Yes. Our sastra says it is attack by Rahu. Rahu…
Dr. Patel: Rahu means…The other side of the earth’s shadow is Rahu, as we say. The modern scientists, the Rahu means other side of the shadow. When the sun shines on the earth, the other side of the earth is, I mean, the night and the shadow of the earth is long, drawn up in the cosmos. And in the view of that shadow, if Moon comes, then it is caught by the shadow.
Prabhupada: No, in the… Rahu, Rahu… Rahu comes in front…
Dr. Patel: That is… The shadow is the Rahu. What else could be? That shadow of earth in the cosmos is the Rahu, most probably to me, because when the Moon… Generally Moon does not come so very often therein in the purview of that shadow. When it comes, it gets eclipsed.
Prabhupada: No, no. They give that the earth comes in front of the sun or the Moon, therefore the shadow.
Dr. Patel: Earth comes in front of the sun. Then it becomes sun eclipse.
Prabhupada: Yes. So, but why, if the movement is regular, then the earth come regularly.
Dr. Patel: But there are several movements also. The movement of the earth, sun, and Moon.
Prabhupada: That means again escaping.
Dr. Patel: All harmonic motions…
Devotee (5): Many shooting stars…
Dr. Patel: Things should be thought scientifically.
Prabhupada: What is the scientifically if you cannot say how many movements are there?
Dr. Patel: All the movements that the heavenly stars and other things are going on in a particular way.
Prabhupada: No, you do not know what are the movements. You therefore say there are several movements, but you do not know what are these movements. That is not scientific. To avoid the explanation, if the scientist says that there are several movements… But you explain what is that movement? According to our sastra there is no individual movement. The whole system is moving, making center the polestar. That we can see at night. They have… Star and planet, they have no separate movement. They are fixed up. Just like this tree. There are so many leaves. The tree is moving, so the leaves and twigs, they are moving, not that the leaf is moving.
Dr. Patel: This is a question of relativity, sir.
Prabhupada: Yes. But that we can see, this…
Dr. Patel: Now, the earth moves round the sun and the Moon moves round the earth…
Prabhupada: No, no…
Dr. Patel: And the rate of movement is different on either side. And the axis or ground on which it moves also differs. So when all of them collide or sort of a thing, then eclipse comes. That is the modern understanding.
Prabhupada: And the… When Brahmananda was speaking that word yesterday, I refuted your argument?
Brahmananda: You were asking, “Why is it Sunday, Monday…” So I explained that the sun is the center of the universe; therefore the sun comes first.
Dr. Patel: No, various suns are there. All the stars are the suns of various universes.
Prabhupada: No, we don’t accept that. No. Sun is one.
Dr. Patel: That is the fundamental difference of opinion that we don’t go ahead of it, sir.
Prabhupada: No, why shall I go according to the dictation of the rascals? We are not so rascal.
Dr. Patel: And now we are define who is a rascal.
Prabhupada: No, rascal is meant, who has no authority. They are changing every day. They are changing. We don’t change. These rascals are changing…
Dr. Patel: These fundamentals, sir, cannot be changed.
Prabhupada: In nineteenth century one theory and twentieth century another theory and then another theory, another theory. This is going on.
Dr. Patel: The truth is not changed but…
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, they are changing. You see here… You have not seen that, our Svarupa Damodara’s book? He has given: simply changing, simply changing, these rascals. Changing means rascal. He does not know. “It is this. It is this.” Another man, “No, no, it is not this. It is this.” Therefore all of them rascals.
Dr. Patel: About this Kakubh Kapoor Cakra(?), our scientist, Mihila(?), has planned it, and according to the eclipse and sun and the Moon eclipse come. That means his science was perfect. Otherwise it would not come at that particular day, time, and…
Prabhupada: We… Our… Five thousand years ago Sukadeva Gosvami said that “As I have heard it, I am explaining.” That means time immemorial, the thing is, same thing is coming. There is no change, not that after few days, “No, no. It was wrong. This is now right.” Again somebody comes.
Dr. Patel: They are explaining the truth in their own way. That is the change of theory. But the truth is the same.
Prabhupada: That is the truth of rascaldom, as soon as you change your position.
Dr. Patel: Theory is rascal, but the truth is never rascal.
Prabhupada: No, no, truth you do not know. Therefore rascaldom.
Dr. Patel: They do not know how to explain. Truth is there, sir.
Prabhupada: No, no. Anyway, he does not know. Therefore he is a rascal, either you say this way or that way.
Dr. Patel: Truth is there.
Prabhupada: No, no, truth is there, but they cannot present the truth rightly. That is rascaldom. Truth is there; that is certain. But they cannot present the truth in right way.
Dr. Patel: You mean they are groping in the dark.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is rascal. How things are happening — every ten years they are changing their theory. And that has been explained by, not by a layman like me. The Dr. Svarupa Damodara, he has explained. He has concluded Darwin’s theory completely wrong. You have read that small booklet?
Dr. Patel: Yes.
Prabhupada: And he has given reason, quotation, how simply he’s speculator.
Dr. Patel: As a matter of, sir, the whole cosmos is full of, I mean, intelligence. That is God. But then that intelligence is struck in different way to the, what you call the mind, which is embedded in the matter. So, I mean, each one explains it in his own way, as he understands…
Prabhupada: No, no. You cannot explain truth in your own way.
Dr. Patel: The whole truth nobody knows and sees. Even our sastra says.
Prabhupada: Hare Krishna. Things which one does not know, he should not try to cheat others by placing some untruth.
Dr. Patel: It is like five blind men seeing an elephant.
Prabhupada: Yes. So you should not give the conclusion that “Elephant is like…”
Dr. Patel: Then we don’t accept… It is very difficult to know the whole truth by any one of us.
Prabhupada: No. Therefore our process is upadeksyanti tad jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah. One has seen the truth. Not these rascals. Tattva-darsinah. Darsinah means who has actually seen. There is no change. The advice is tad viddhi pranipatena pariprasnena sevaya [BG 4.34]. These are the quotes. Upadeksyanti tad jnanam jnaninas tattva-darsinah. Not that theoretical. Tattva-darsinah. You have to go there. Then you will get knowledge. A blind man goes to another blind man. What is the profit? No profit.
Dr. Patel: Andhena andha-niyatah.(?)
Prabhupada: Ah. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. A blind man must go to a man who has got eyes, who has seen. Then that is right knowledge. Now we are presenting this book, Scientific Basis of Krishna Consciousness. Let anyone come and challenge. Let anyone come. We have got many scientists. They will talk. What is the value of speculation?
Dr. Patel: I think some scientists have talked nonsense before you, so you are… (laughs) All scientists are not like that, sir. (end)
Letter to: Dr. W.H. Wolf-Rottkay, Bombay, November 21, 1975
So it appears that the sun planet comes first and then the Moon planet. That is the statement in Srimad-Bhagavatam. How do modern scientists say that the Moon is nearest from the earth? What is their authority? But according to what is stated by you, the sun is first and then the Moon. That is the verdict of Srimad-Bhagavatam. If the Moon is beyond the sun, then how they can go to the Moon while they are unable to go to the sun? This is the problem I am thinking and if you can make a solution, that would be nice. According to Srimad-Bhagavatam the Moon is above the sun planet by 1,600,000 miles. The scientists say that the sun is 93,000,000 miles from the earth and if the Moon is beyond the sun planet, the distance from the earth then would be 95,000,000 miles. So the Moon being 95,000,000 miles away, how can they go even if they travel at the speed of 18,000 mph, how can they go 95,000,000 miles in four days. It is not possible. In four days they can go only 1,728,000 miles. If they say the Moon is 240,000 miles from the earth, then why is the Moon not mentioned first? Why not Monday being the first day of the week? According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, the sun is first, the Moon is second and therefore we have no objection to the first of the week being Sunday and then Monday. Why is it universally accepted in all languages that Sunday is first and then Monday? Why is it not Monday and then Sunday?
[How someone so deified can actually argue nonsensically about the distance between objects in space based on the sequence of week days (and persistently, mind you) is beyond me. In most European countries the week starts on Monday, not Sunday. There is no worldwide conclusion as to how exactly the names of weekdays have come about or where a week starts. Ancient Celtic and Germanic cultures linked their weekdays to names of gods. There are theories that indicate that the weekdays are named in relation to the brightness of the planets as visible from the Earth with naked eyes and clear night skies, rather than their distance from the Earth. This, however, is not supported by facts. The days of the week go like Sun-Moon-Mars-Mercury-Jupiter-Venus-Saturn (if we take the American system, starting with Sunday). As far as brightness is concerned, the Sun (-26.8) and Moon (-12.7) are followed not by Mars (-2.8), but by Venus (-4.7) and Jupiter (-2.9), in this order. So you’d end up with a week like Sunday-Monday-Friday-Thursday-Tuesday-Wednesday-Saturday… Other theories link the appearance of planets to hours of the day and extrapolate the sequence of weekdays from the planet that occupies the first hour of the day. Again, there is no conclusive correlation between the order of weekday names and the distance of the planets from the Earth.]
Morning Walk, Mayapura, March 21, 1976
Prabhupada: …Moon is hot, they say, because the shade of the earth is obstructing.
Prabhupada: Is it not?
Trivikrama: They say that the sun is hitting like that.
Prabhupada: Eh? The sun is there, and the earth is there. How it becomes…?
Pusta Krishna: The earth is bet…. The earth is between the sun and the Moon. Therefore there’s some…
Prabhupada: That’s all right, in between.
Hamsaduta: No, no. They say that the sun’s rays are striking it, only half. The other half is in shadow.
Prabhupada: What is that shadow?
Devotee (1): Night. Like nighttime on the earth.
Hamsaduta: Shadow. Like a ball. If I have a ball and shine a light on it, then…
Prabhupada: No. No, no. Shadow.
Hamsaduta: …this side will be in shadow.
Prabhupada: Shadow…. “Shadow” means earthly shadow? No.
Hamsaduta: No no, no. Its own shadow. If this is a ball, and the light is coming from here, see, this portion will be in darkness or shadow. And the other portion will reflect light.
Pusta Krishna: That’s not the modern theory.
Devotees: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: Is that all right? Explanation?
Devotee (1): Sounds all right.
Hamsaduta: That’s what they say.
Prabhupada: “They say.” What you say?
Hamsaduta: We don’t know anything. After meeting you, we wonder if we know anything, because we thought the Moon was going around the earth.
Pusta Krishna: What shadow is that? The Moon casts its own shadow.
Hamsaduta: That’s what they say.
Prabhupada: They, their explanation is…
Pusta Krishna: Half the Moon is in darkness.
Trivikrama: Yeah, the back side.
Prabhupada: The back side.
Trivikrama: The back side of the Moon. That’s what we’re seeing now. The sun’s here, hitting…
Prabhupada: I can understand now. That means Moon. Moon is…. A portion is bright.
Pusta Krishna: Half of it is always bright.
Devotee: Yes. The part that’s facing the sun.
Prthu-putra: But this is less than half.
Prabhupada: And when they go to the Moon planet, they go to the dark side. Is it not?
Panca-dravida: No, they say they go to the light side, too.
Hamsaduta: No, they say the dark side is so cold that no one can…. Because there’s no sunlight, it is so cold.
Prabhupada: That means they have no experience of all the sides of the Moon.
Hamsaduta: No, they don’t. They only have one side, experiencing.
Prabhupada: So, so what is the cause of the brightness?
Panca-dravida: The sun.
Prabhupada: They have brought some dust, but this is not bright.
Trivikrama: They say it’s reflected light.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. What is the material that makes it so bright so that whole universe is illuminated?
Hamsaduta: There’s no comment on that point.
Prthu-putra: They don’t know that.
Prabhupada: They have brought some dust, but that is not bright. They have said…. The other scientists, they said, “This kind of dust can be available here.” Just see. Now, how it is bright?
Panca-dravida: Well, they say that from space the earth would be bright also, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: The nonsense may say anything. But our common sense that if the, there is some ingredient in this Moon which makes it bright, so they have brought the dust, but other scientists say that this dust can be available here.
Panca-dravida: So it may be cheating.
Panca-dravida: Actually, they have not proved anything.
Prabhupada: That is my contention.
Trivikrama: They say the Moon is bright, just like if a cloud is in the sky, it appears very white and bright because the sun is hitting it. But the same cloud, if you bring it into the room, it’s just mist.
Prabhupada: But cloud is not always existing. But this brightness is always existing. Cloud is sometimes appearing, sometimes disappearing. The Moon brightness is regular. How you can compare with cloud? When you compare, there must be consistency. Analogy. Analogy means similar position. Otherwise, analogy has no meaning.
Morning Walk, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976
Calculation, they have calculation that sun planet is ninety-three million miles from, that is, they have accepted. I also accept it. I say the Moon planet is 1,600,000 miles still further. So you cannot go to the sun planet, how can go to the Moon planet?
Morning Walk, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976
Prabhupada: Scientists or philosophers, their only business is to defy God. All demons.
Bali-mardana: Actually, Prabhupada, the people are turning away from the scientists now, because they have seen that their promises have not brought anything.
Prabhupada: And simply, if we can expose that they never went to the Moon planet, their life will be finished.
Devotees: Jaya, haribol!
Tamala Krishna: How can we expose that, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: To expose…. They could not answer this simple question, why Sunday first and Monday second? They could not understand, these rascals, I have asked so many. Can you answer this? Can you answer, can any of you, why Sunday first? All over the world, they accept Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday last. Why? Answer this. Is there anyone?
Hrdayananda: What is the answer, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: The answer is sun planet first, then Moon planet.
Devotees: Oh, jaya!
Prabhupada: And the sun planet is ninety-three million miles, and according to Bhagavata, the Moon is 1,600,000 miles away from sun. So I have calculated the other day that it takes ninety days, no?
Hari-sauri: No, six or seven months.
Prabhupada: Six or seven months it takes to go to the Moon planet. How they have gone in four days? They have never gone.
Devotees: Oh, jaya!
Tamala Krishna: How did you get that calculation, Srila Prabhupada?
Tamala Krishna: How did you make that calculation?
Prabhupada: Calculation, they have calculation that sun planet is ninety-three million miles from, that is, they have accepted. I also accept it. I say the Moon planet is 1,600,000 miles still further. So you cannot go to the sun planet, how can go to the Moon planet?
Candanacarya: Today is the day of scandals. These days, there are so many scandals in the United States.
Prabhupada: Ask them. If they say Moon planet is first, why not Monday first? Why Sunday first? That’s a fact. Sun planet first, then Moon, then Mars. Ravi, Soma, Mangala, Bhu. That is the calculation.
Tamala Krishna: That means that all the countries are cooperating together to cheat the people, because they’re all…
Prabhupada: No, no. They have taken from the Vedic literature.
Bali-mardana: No, they are right, Sunday, Monday.
Tamala Krishna: No, I mean to say that everyone is saying that they have gone to the Moon, that means they are all together cheating.
Radhavallabha: The scientists have got radiotelescopes. They bounce the sound vibration off the planet, and depending on how long it takes the sound to come back, that’s how far away it is.
Radhavallabha: They bounce sound vibration off a planet, and depending on how long it takes the vibration to come back, that’s how far away the planet is. So they’ve calculated the sun to be further in that way.
Prabhupada: First of all, answer why Sunday first. Then talk of all nonsense.
Candanacarya: Mars is after the Moon?
Candanacarya: Mars is after the Moon?
Candanacarya: Because in French, Tuesday is the word for Mars.
Prabhupada: And Saturday is last. Saturn is last.
Yadubara: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Each planet is 1,600,000 miles away from one another.
Tamala Krishna: 1,600,000.
Yadubara: They say they went 250,000 miles twice.
Prabhupada: They say, let them say, first of all answer “Why Sunday first?”
Morning Walk, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976
Radhavallabha: They have one argument, that during solar eclipse, the Moon appears to pass in front of the sun, between the sun and the earth.
Hrdayananda: Prabhupada explains that. It is the Rahu planet.
Radhavallabha: But they are viewing the Moon. The Moon is right there, they can see it. And all of a sudden it goes in front of the sun.
Prabhupada: Huh? What is that? Moon is there, sun is there. Now which first? That is the question.
Radhavallabha: They will say that they’ve observed in their telescopes…,
Prabhupada: They’ll say…, whatever they’ll say it is all right. First of all, say why Sunday first. Then talk all nonsense. First of all, answer this. You cannot say “We believe that Sunday first.” What is the fact? Why do you bring Moon, Monday? Why not bring…?
Radhavallabha: They will say it is arbitrary order.
Radhavallabha: Then they will get back to their argument.
Prabhupada: Hare Krishna. Arbitrary order is not science. That you cannot.
Candanacarya: How can it be arbitrary if every culture in the history of the planet has accepted that order? How can it be arbitrary?
Radhavallabha: That doesn’t matter it’s not arbitrary. Do you accept?
Hrdayananda: Radhavallabha is a rascal. (laughter)
Mahendra: Thirty or forty years also, Srila Prabhupada, one man made a little plaster body of a human being, and he planted it in his back yard in England. And then he dug it up and said, “Oh, look, I’ve found the oldest man in history!” And all the scientists came and said, “Oh, yes, this is the oldest man in history.” And for twenty or thirty years many men got their Ph.D.s by writing about how this plaster was the oldest man in history.
Prabhupada: Yes, such fools are leaders.
Tamala Krishna: That is the business of dogs, digging up bones. (laughter)
Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, by calculating the movements of the Moon, scientists can predict years in advance when the solar eclipse will be.
Prabhupada: That is not their invention. That is already there. (pause) (walking) We shall go further? No? (japa)
Hari-sauri: One thing is, Srila Prabhupada, if they’ve wrongly calculated the distance of the Moon, then how is it that they’re able to calculate these eclipses and whatever?
Prabhupada: That I do not know. First of all, answer this. Yes. Yes. They say the Moon planet first. I say, no, sun planet. First of all…
Trivikrama:(?) But they can see the Moon comes in front of the sun.
Candanacarya: This is some other planet.
Candanacarya: That must be some other planet.
Prabhupada: Which one?
Candanacarya: This one that comes in front of the sun.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, all over the world, they accept Sunday first.
Mahendra: All of their successes are accidental. Just like they discovered the planet called Pluto. The way it was discovered was one man recognized that there was a fluctuation in the orbit of the planet Neptune, and so he made some calculations and figured that the fluctuations were caused by another planet that must be further away than Neptune that no one has discovered yet. So he made many calculations and figured out where the planet should be, how big it should be, how much it should weigh, how far away it was. So then he told other scientists about it, and they looked in their telescopes, and sure enough, there it was. But it wasn’t as big as he said, nor was it as heavy as he said, nor was it as far away as he said, and when they rechecked the data they found that the orbit of the original planet wasn’t really wrong either. So all of his calculations were wrong, but still the planet was there. So somehow or other he stumbled upon it, but all of his calculations to find it were absolutely wrong. That’s the planet called Pluto.
Prabhupada: Recently there was an propaganda. That comet?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, it would come and destroy,
Prabhupada: There was no comet.
Tamala Krishna: They said it would destroy…
Hrdayananda: They predicted a comet that never came.
Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, in the Fifth Canto you wrote that the planets are being pulled in their orbits by chariots. Just like there is a description of the sun planet, and there is very elaborate…
Prabhupada: That is movement. Now, according to their calculation, sun is fixed up, but according to our calculation it is moving. That is the difference.
Ramesvara: And it is actually being pulled by a chariot and horses.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, it is moving. Either chariot or on leg. That does not…. It is moving. Moving is the point. Either on chariot or on leg, that doesn’t matter. Sun is moving. But they say sun is fixed up.
Trivikrama: They say it’s moving, but not the way we say, around the earth.
Prabhupada: No, they do not say.
Trivikrama: They say it has its own…
Prabhupada: No, no. Sun is fixed up.
Ramesvara: It is moving by manipulation of air, just like our airplane is moving by manipulating the air.
Prabhupada: First of all, solve this question, that how…?
Radhavallabha: You had us on that one.
Radhavallabha: You got us on that one.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Tamala Krishna: He said you have caught us. We cannot give a reply.
Prabhupada: Yes, big, big belly. And what is that, Bhargava, no, what is his name? Bhagavat?
Prabhupada: He has got big belly. (laughter) And Brahmananda. Gargamuni also. Acyutananda, yes. In India?
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada?
Devotee: These karmis and their sputniks, they’re claiming they’re going to heavenly planets, all these planets all over the universe, but you tell us that they can’t actually go to these places.
Prabhupada: Yes, if you have got suitable machine you can go.
Bhudhara: Srila Prabhupada?
Bhudhara: They now say that they’re going to attempt to create a planet that has perfect air, and trees, and they’re only charging…
Prabhupada: Another bogus. Another bluff. So be satisfied with their bluffs. That’s all. (break, conversation continues in car)
Ramesvara: The sun planet is seated on a chariot, and it is pulled by horses? They take it to be mythology.
Ramesvara: They cannot imagine how horses can be flying in the sky.
Tamala Krishna: And pulling an entire planet.
Prabhupada: Because you cannot imagine it, there is no such thing? What is the value of your imagination?
Tamala Krishna: But you just said by your imagination you can grow a beak.
Prabhupada: If some horses can fly in the sky, what your imagination will check it?
Ramesvara: But they say that the planet is so heavy and so big it is not possible for a mortal…
Prabhupada: That’s all right. The planet is…. How it is floating in the air?
Ramesvara: They have an explanation for that.
Prabhupada: No. You do not know the explanation. There are so many other things. Just like we say there is ocean of milk, ocean of liquor, ocean of oil.
Ramesvara: No, all of that they take to be…
Tamala Krishna: Mythology.
Prabhupada: But why? Your imagination. You have not gone throughout the whole universe. You cannot say. You are imperfect.
Tamala Krishna: But they say neither you have gone, so how can you know…
Prabhupada: No, I have got authority, you have got no authority.
Tamala Krishna: Well, simply some story books, they say.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. Whatever it may be, I can present some literature, but you have nothing. You rascal. (laughs) Whatever it may be, I have got something, but you have nothing.
Tamala Krishna: I remember studying in college about this, that we were studying Indian art, and they showed pictures of people on other planets and all these things, the demigods, and the teacher said “These are mythologies of India.”
Ramesvara: Just like the Greek mythologies.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, we have got books, and these books are authorized, they are accepted by authorities, but what you have got?
Tamala Krishna: They have their fairy tales, they call it, imaginary tales.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, we have got something. I may believe it. That’s all. You believe your imagination, we believe this. That’s all. Finished.
Tamala Krishna: Ours are better.
Prabhupada: Your imagination is also rascaldom, and if ours, it is rascaldom, that’s all right, you are rascal, I am rascal. Why do you pose yourself you are learned?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, that’s the point.
Prabhupada: Don’t pose yourself that you are learned.
Room Conversation, Baltimore, July 7, 1976
Svarupa Damodara: The other morning Srila Prabhupada was mentioning about the Institute, the Bhaktivedanta Institute. So is there anything else that your Divine Grace wants to?
Prabhupada: Institute, you have got sufficient subject matter as I was describing, this original source of life and the planetary system, as you are going to make planetarium. Who can say about so many planets in the sky? Who has got sufficient knowledge? They cannot even give… They think that Moon is the nearest planet, but we do not think like that. But still they are unable to give sufficient knowledge about the Moon. It is not vacant, it cannot be vacant. We do not find any part of the world vacant. There is living entities. This earth planet is part of the universe, and the Moon is also part of the universe. If it is not vacant, how that can be vacant? You have got dust there, we have got dust here; you have got rocks there, here we have got rocks. And why it is vacant? We find in the dust also there is life. When we walk on the beach, it is simply sand, there are so many crabs. They are immediately flying, running, “Here is a man coming. Enter into the hole.” So even the dust, in the sand, there is life. So why not there? In the water there is life, within the sand there is life, in the air there is life, everywhere there is life. Why it should be vacant? Hmm? What is the opinion of the scientists? How…? We are layman, talking like layman, but why there should not be life? And in the sastra we get there is life. Not only Moon, every planet is full of living entities. Jagat-kirna(?). There is human being, there is animal, everything. How it can be vacant, God’s creation?
Room Conversation, New York, July 10, 1976
Prabhupada: Other news, after Mars? No?
Svarupa Damodara: I haven’t seen the newspapers yet. Might have some more, been taking pictures, photographs.
Tamala Krishna: Prabhupada explained that the picture they took of Mars, they now say that there’s…, they pointed out that there’s a similar canyon, the Grand Canyon, in Arizona. So they were reporting like this, and Prabhupada said this is an indication that actually it is a picture of, they have unintentionally they have let out the information that actually the photo is simply a photograph of the Grand Canyon.
Hari-sauri: He gave an example. There’s a man in his room at night, and he hears a noise. So he says “Oh, what’s that sound?” And then back comes the reply, “I am not stealing.” So no one asked the man to say what he was doing, but he unintentionally let it out what he was actually doing there. He just asked what the noise was, but he said “I am not stealing.” So in the same way no one asked them to say anything about Arizona, but they let it out.
Prabhupada: They have disclosed unintentionally. That is going on. It is beyond their dream to go either to the Moon planet or Mars planet. It is not possible. Not nowadays I say — I said it ten years ago.
Svarupa Damodara: We’re going to have a difficult time, with the scientists, about the Moon.
Svarupa Damodara: We’re going to have a difficult time about this Moon and the sun relationship.
Tamala Krishna: Sunday, Monday.
Svarupa Damodara: This is a lifelong project. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Nobody could answer, a simple question. (Hari-sauri explains “Sunday, Monday” question to Svarupa Damodara in background(?)) According to Vedic astronomical calculations, sun is first.
Svarupa Damodara: But does it have to do anything with distance, Prabhupada?
Svarupa Damodara: Does it have to do anything with the distance? As the sun is recorded first?
Prabhupada: No, according to them if sun is first, then it will be ninety-three million miles. And if the Moon is still away, one million six hundred thousand miles, it becomes ninety-five million miles. How they are going ninety-five millions of miles in four days?
CC, Madhya-lila 20.105, New York, July 11, 1976
Just like we sometimes challenge these big, big scientists and others, and what is our strength? I am not a scientist, but how I can challenge? The Veda gaya. We have got evidence from the Vedas. Just like so many people are thinking that the Moon planet is first. We are challenging, “No, Moon planet is second.” What is the strength? The strength is Vedic knowledge. We cannot accept it. So vede gaya yanhara carita. Vedic knowledge is so perfect that you can challenge so many scientists. Yes. If it is not in accordance to the Vedic knowledge, then it is… We do not accept.
CC, Madhya-lila 20.110, New York, July 17, 1976
The sun planet is very, very big, fourteen hundred thousand times bigger than this earth. So it is all congested with population. And because they are all fiery, everything made there fiery, therefore it is a blazing fire, and the illumination is coming all over the universe. But they cannot understand this, the so-called scientists. It is not… Beyond their conception. But this is a fact. And the Moon planet is also fiery, exactly like the sun. Therefore that illumination is distributed. But the difference is, so far I can remember, that the Moon planet fire is surrounded by cool atmosphere. Because the heat is coming through some cool atmosphere, it is at night so pleasing. It is not vacant. There is also living entities. This is one of the heavenly planets. Heavenly planet begins from the sun, then Moon, then Mars, Jupiter, like that. We have challenged this, that Moon planet is beyond the sun planet. The Moon planet is not the first planet. The sun is first, Moon is second. So we have to learn from Vedic literature all this information. Many, many millions of years ago this Vedic literature was given to us. So about these planetary systems, everything is there, described. It is not unknown.
CC, Madhya-lila 20.113, London, July 23, 1976
We are confident. We sometimes challenge big, big scientists. On what ground? Not whimsically, but on the ground of sastra. So we may not please everyone, but we cannot go out of this scope. We know that in the Moon planet, in the Mars planet and all other planets, Jupiter and others, there are living entities, there is a predominating deity in each and every planet.
Room Conversation, New Mayapur (French farm), July 31, 1976
Prabhupada: Such a pleasing planet, and these rascals say there is no life. The Moon is described everywhere, the most pleasing planet. Actually, when there is Moon in the sky, how it is pleasing. So that planet is meant for the high-class pious persons, and they get their life for ten thousands of years. They live very comfortably, drink soma-rasa. These are the descriptions we get from sastra. And these rascals say it is desert. And we have to believe them. And practically we see how pleasing it is. As soon as the Moon planet is there, the whole atmosphere becomes pleasing. And it is desert. And we have to believe these rascal scientists and disregard the description of the sastra. What do you think? Is that very good intelligence?
Prabhupada: We disregard the statement of Vyasadeva, and we have to accept the statement of a rascal drunkard. (laughter) We are not so unfortunate. The unfortunate, they can believe that, we cannot believe.
Devotee (1): Now they have published pictures of Mars.
Prabhupada: Let them do that, befool others. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanas [SB 7.5.31]. Because others, they are blind, this blind man, whatever he says, they believe. They will say “Perhaps ten millions of years ago there was life, perhaps.” These things are going on. But we know every planet is full of living entity. There is regular life and there are streets. The streets are paved with pearls, corals, in Svargaloka. We have got information. And what is their information? Scratching some sand and bring it, that’s all. As if sand is not available. But we give information there are planets where the pavements are with pearls. Go and bring some pearls. There is the ocean of milk. Bring some milk from there. And then we shall understand that you are making some research. Simply all over the universe dry sand? And here the population is increasing. Just see. We have to believe all this. Everything is by nature vacant and all people and animals are here. And we have to believe that. Hmm. Read it. They are exposing more and more about their nonsensical scientific inquiry.
Letter to: Dr. W.H. Wolf-Rottkay, Chandigarh, October 14, 1976
Regarding the scientists, we have entrusted our own three scientists namely Svarupa Damodara, Sadaputa, and Madhva and we leave the matter to them, we do not say anything ourselves, but are leaving it to them. But there are many common men who do not believe that they have gone to the Moon planet. So as common men we can simply say, how can dust and rocks reflect so much of light as to illuminate the night, like the sun at day. It is simply bogus to say that the Moon is full of dust and rocks. Such a beautiful soothing planet is full of dust and rock with no living beings there is simply unbelievable. You are a learned scholar, do you think it is believable that dust and rocks can illuminate the whole universe at night. It is so soothing and beautiful. I shall be very glad to receive further enlightenment in this connection from your good self.
SB 5.5.10-13, Vrindavana, November 1, 1976
Just as Moon planet, that atmosphere is different. Otherwise how it is possible that the Moon planet, it is so nice, soothing rays is coming? And why not from the sun? The sun is differently constructed, different rays. It is God’s arrangement. In daytime you require sunshine, and you become tired, so at nighttime there is very soothing moonshine. You becomes pacified, cleansed, soothing. Why the sun and the Moon, if they are vacant or something, like that…? They do not know vasudhadi-bhinnam. Each and every planet is differently constructed. They do not know. These rascals, they are passing as scientists and simply giving this conclusion, that “Every planet is full of dust and rocks.” If dust and rocks, then why from the sunshine so much heat is coming, and why from the moonshine so soothing and pleasing shine is coming? These rascals, they do not know. And they are passing as scientists. I call them directly rascals, simply, set of rascals. They have never gone to the Moon planet. They do not know what are the different position of the different planets. Simply they are, I mean to say, cheating people to get good salary. That’s all. And in the name of scientist.
Bhu-mandala Diagram Discussion, Vrindavana, July 2, 1977
Prabhupada: And they are going to the Moon. (devotees laugh) I… So far I remember, the Moon is also like the sun, that it is fire blazing, but it is surrounded by a cool atmosphere. Therefore it is soothing. I think there is such description.
Bhakti-prema: Srimad-Bhagavatam says the Moon is also (indistinct).
Tamala Krishna: How far do they, the scientists, say the Moon is from the earth? How long? I have a book which says it, and I’m bringing this book. It’s very… You’ll see it here.
Bhakti-prema: Twenty-four lakhs miles.
Tamala Krishna: Twenty-four lakhs miles, the scientists say?
Tamala Krishna: What do the scientists say? How…?
Prabhupada: Two lakhs.
Tamala Krishna: Two lakhs miles, 250,000 miles. So that means about, in yojanas, very little, about 25-, 30,000 yojanas.
Yasoda-nandana: They say the sun is 93,000,000 away.
Bhakti-prema: I think the difference of the (indistinct).
Tamala Krishna: They have froglike brains.
Prabhupada: That, the microscope… What is called? Telescope.
Tamala Krishna: This is the book of the rascal scientists. They describe the solar system according to their nonsense. The solar system… Gives all the calculations. They calculated how much it weighs on each planet. (laughs) They haven’t even been there. They say that each planet has moons. Says here… This is how scientific they are. “Pluto was discovered only in 1930, and as yet, little is known about this remote planet. Pluto is much smaller than Neptune and has a diameter probably about…”
Tamala Krishna: “…half the size…”
Tamala Krishna: “The orbit of Pluto is extremely elliptical, and the day is some 6,109 hours long. There is probably no atmosphere, and there are no known humans.”
Prabhupada: “Probably.” Their science is “probably.” Probably it is science; otherwise it is nonsense. (laughter)
Tamala Krishna: It says here, “The Moon is 238,860 miles from the earth. It has no atmosphere, no weather and no wind.”
Prabhupada: “Probably.” Everything “probably.”
Tamala Krishna: It says here, “There is thick dust covering and no evidence to suggest that the Moon has ever supported life.” In that newspaper article the man who is exposing them said — because they say it is covered by dust — “How is it that no dust is shown on the astronauts’ suits when they walked around?” He says, “If there’s such a thick dust, then, when the rocket landed, it would have made a pocket within that dust.” He says, “But there’s no crater around the rocket. Then how it is possible that these things are like that?” ‘Cause actually they forgot. When they were making the stage setting in Arizona, they forgot these things.
Yasoda-nandana: One argument Your Divine Grace gave in 1971 was that if they went to the Moon and they found it was rock, how do they explain the Moon is so shiny and gives such a cooling effect? They cannot explain that.