Used with permission of the compiler.

Originally published in 2010, these quotes were compiled by Willem Vandenberg (Varnadi das), who joined ISKCON in Amsterdam in 1990. He served in the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust in Sweden as a translator and editor and as a manager of one of its sub-complexes. After officially leaving ISKCON in 2010 he went on to further his career as a computer programmer in higher education. He now lives in Texas and enjoys life reading, writing, and traveling the world.


Prabhupada in His Own Words

The Apollo Moon Landings


What follows here is an extensive list of quotes from Bhaktivedanta Swami, the founder of the Hare Krishna movement, on the topic of science. Despite the repeated claim that his own cult is scientific and his books are scholarly, the Swami had absolutely no tolerance for any kind of modern science that did not support his ideas and doctrines.

Modern science and its practitioners are in general condemned as criminal, untrustworthy, and cheating. Everything presented by modern science must be questioned and scrutinized against the gold standard of Bhaktivedanta Swami’s understanding of the ancient Indian myths and legends — unless it even remotely supports it, in which case it will be instantly and blindly accepted without further question.

This particular section deals with the Apollo Moon landings.


SB 1.15.12, purport
The Moon is also on the level with the heavenly planets, and only persons who have performed virtues only — performing sacrifices, giving charity and undergoing severe austerities — can be allowed to enter into the heavenly planets after the duration of life of the body. Arjuna was allowed to enter into the heavenly planets in the selfsame body simply by the grace of the Lord, otherwise it is not possible to do so. The present attempts to enter into the heavenly planets by the modern scientists will certainly prove futile because such scientists are not on the level of Arjuna. They are ordinary human beings, without any assets of sacrifice, charity or austerities.

SB 2.3.11, purport
The gross materialists do not believe in the existence of God or the demigods. Nor do they believe that different planets are dominated by different demigods. They are creating a great commotion about reaching the closest celestial body, Candraloka, or the Moon, but even after much mechanical research they have only very scanty information of this Moon, and in spite of much false advertisement for selling land on the Moon, the puffed-up scientists or gross materialists cannot live there, and what to speak of reaching the other planets, which they are unable even to count.

SB 4.22.54, purport
In the modern age, people from earth have tried to go to the Moon, but they have not been able to find anyone there, what to speak of meeting the Moon’s predominating deity. The Vedic literature, however, repeatedly informs us that the Moon is full of highly elevated inhabitants who are counted amongst the demigods. We are therefore always in doubt about what kind of Moon adventure the modern scientists of this planet earth have undertaken.

SB 5.14.26, purport
In this material world, so-called scientists, philosophers and economists are nothing but cheaters in one way or another. The scientists are cheaters because they present so many bogus things in the name of science. They propose going to the Moon, but actually they end up cheating the entire public of large sums of money for their experiments. They cannot do anything useful.

SB 5.24.3, purport
Although Rahu attempts to attack both the sun and the Moon, they are protected by Lord Visnu. Being very afraid of Lord Visnu’s cakra, Rahu cannot stay in front of the sun or Moon for more than a muhurta (forty-eight minutes). The phenomenon that occurs when Rahu blocks the light of the sun or Moon is called an eclipse. The attempt of the scientists of this earth to go to the Moon is as demoniac as Rahu’s attack. Of course. their attempts will be failures because no one can enter the Moon or sun so easily. Like the attack of Rahu, such attempts will certainly be failures.

SB 6.2.44, purport
For many years, material scientists have tried to go to the Moon, but they are still unable to go there.
SB 6.9.1, purport
Although modern scientists have invented many powerful space vehicles, they cannot even go to the Moon, not to speak of other planets.

SB 7.15.50-51, purport
It may be remarked in this connection that even the modern so-called scientists who are going to the Moon are not able to stay there, but are returning to their laboratories. Therefore, whether one goes to the Moon by modern mechanical arrangements or by performing pious activities, one must return to earth.

SB 10.3.27, purport
In this connection, it may be noted that the Moon is one of the heavenly planets. From the Vedic literature we understand that one who goes to the Moon receives a life with a duration of ten thousand years in which to enjoy the fruits of pious activities. If our so-called scientists are going to the Moon, why should they come back here? We must conclude without a doubt that they have never gone to the Moon. To go to the Moon, one must have the qualification of pious activities. Then one may go there and live. If one has gone to the Moon, why should he return to this planet, where life is of a very short duration?

CC, Madhya 19.138, purport
This is a challenge to so-called scientists and philosophers who presume that there are living entities on this planet only. So-called scientists are going to the Moon, and they say that there is no life there. … Why should we deny the existence of living entities on this or that planet? Those who have claimed to have gone to the Moon have not gone there, or else with their imperfect vision they cannot actually perceive the particular type of living entities there.

NOD, Happiness in Krishna Consciousness
Though the modern astronauts go to the Moon with the help of spaceships, they undergo many difficulties, whereas a person with mystic perfection can extend his hand and touch the Moon with his finger.

EJTOP, Antimaterial Worlds
Scientists who are attempting to explore outer space in an attempt to reach other planets by mechanical means must realize that organisms adapted to the atmosphere of the earth cannot exist in the atmospheres of other planets. As such, man’s attempts to reach the Moon, the sun, or Mars will be completely futile because of the different atmospheres prevailing on those planets.

BG 2.12, New York, March 9, 1966
So these people are going to the Moon planet. They are saying it is full of dust. It is full of clay, or something like that. All these foolishness. You see? That means they have not reached. Outside they take some photo and they come out.

CC, Madhya-lila 21.1-10, New York, January 3, 1967
The material scientists, they have no information. What information they have got? They cannot reach even the Moon planet, what to speak of others.

SB 12.2.1, San Francisco, March 18, 1968
Just like we are studying the Moon. So many scientists were engaged to study the Moon. Every day we read something about Moon. And in Bhagavata you see that the Moon is very cold planet, and there people drink soma-rasa. And the other day I was reading in the paper, the temperature is 200 degrees less than zero. Just you can imagine how cold it is. So how we can go there? Cannot go to Canada because when it is below zero degree, you are you so unhappy. And it is, if we accept the statement of the scientists, it is 200 degrees below zero. So how you can go there? At once you’ll die, immediately.
[It never fails to amaze me how Bhaktivedanta Swami will reject whatever scientific findings do not fit his viewpoint, but will accept on face-value whatever even remotely agrees with it, regardless if it comes from the same source.]

Morning Walk at Stow Lake, March 23, 1968, San Francisco
First thing is that calculation of Candra, Moon planet, there are different views. Different scientists, they have different views. It is not a standard. They have not agreed to the… Somebody says something, somebody says another thing. Speculation. That’s all. But that idea, that it is very low in temperature, that is mentioned in Bhagavata. You cannot live in the water. You have to qualify yourself. (Sound of ducks). Just see. Their body is made just suitable for the water. So you have to qualify yourself. That is… Just like, in the spiritual sky they can live only spiritual body, and material body cannot live there. Material body is not allowed there.

Lecture, Boston, May 7, 1968
If you want to go to the Moon planet, oh, there is no necessity of going by some sputnik or by mechanical arrangement. You can go there simply by following the consciousness to go to the Moon planet. That is there in the Vedic literature. You can immediately… Not immediately. After… But you cannot go with this body — even by sputnik. They are trying. It is not possible. It is not possible. Several times I have explained that in the Moon planet the temperature is — that is scientists’ explanation — two hundred degree below zero. So with this body, if you go to the Moon planet, you shall immediately die. So you have to prepare yourself for getting another suitable body with which body you can exist in the Moon planet.

Lecture, Seattle, September 30, 1968
Just like the modern scientists, they are trying to fly some space machine in the good speed so that they can go to the Moon planet. So many scientists of America, Russia, and other countries, they are trying. But they cannot. Their sputnik is coming back. But just see God’s power. Millions of planets are floating just like swabs. This is greatness.

Sri Sri Sad-govamy-astaka, Los Angeles, November 18, 1968
Recently it said in the newspaper where the scientists were sending a sputnik around the Moon. I have read in your Easy Journey to Other Planets that no matter how many endeavors they make, they will never reach these other planets. Is this…?
Prabhupada: Yes. This is not the process of reaching. This is childish. That also I have made statement, this is childish. You cannot go to the Moon planet in that way. It is not possible. They’ll simply create story, but they’ll never be successful.

BG 7.1, Los Angeles, December 2, 1968
Just like people are trying to go to the Moon planet, very tiny effort. Even they go to the Moon planet, they’ll be not very much benefited, because the scientists say the Moon planet is below 200 degrees zero point. So we cannot tolerate the cold climate of this planet, how we shall be benefited even we go to the Moon planet? And Moon planet is the nearest planet. There are millions of other planets also, and the scientists say that to reach the highest, topmost planet, it will take forty thousands of years. And who is going to live for forty thousand years to go and come back?

Interview with LA Times Reporter About Moon Trip, Los Angeles, December 26, 1968
If the space program, either the Russian or the American program, which have plans to try to land on the Moon and return safely, if this is successful, do you think this accomplishment would hurt the Krishna movement in the United States? It would contradict Vedic…
Prabhupada: Why? First thing is even they are successful, according to our principle, it is simply waste of time. Because we are not concerned even with the Moon planet. We are trying to go to the planet of Krishna from where nobody returns back to this wretched condition of life. So the wretched condition of life is as good in Moon planet as it is in this earth planet. And do you know what is the wretched condition of life? Yes. The birth, death, old age and disease. This is the wretched condition of life. So you cannot avoid this wretched condition of life in the Moon planet also. There is birth, death, old age and disease. But where we are trying to go by Krishna consciousness, there is no birth, death, old age and disease. So even there are, people are successful to go to the Moon planet, what connection we have got there? We are not at all concerned with any planet where there is birth, death and old age and disease. Even in the highest planet of this universe.
Reporter: Well, what I’m getting at is that if for instance you say that first this conviction that they would not be able to land, and secondly that whatever earth people would go there would be opposed and would not be able to safely return, if you say this, based on Vedic literature, and other members of the Krishna movement heard this, and then if the feat were accomplished, would this not seem a contradiction or something that had been said would be the case and then the opposite was proved true? Would this…
Prabhupada: What is that contradiction? There is nothing contradiction. We say that if you get a suitable body you can enter there. So if by your scientific process you can equip yourself with suitable body you can enter there. Where is the contradiction?
Reporter: Well, you said that spacesuit was not a suitable…
Prabhupada: That is a fact. That is a fact. That is not suitable.
Reporter: That’s the way they intend to go.
Prabhupada: That is, that is not, that we can safely say that with this suit you cannot go there. You have to make a different suit. Perhaps you do not know that.
Reporter: Okay, then let’s say that if with that suit they do go there and do return, would that be a contradiction?
Prabhupada: Why contradiction? We say that if you get a suitable suit you can go there. Where is the contradiction?
Reporter: Well I thought you said the spacesuit was not suitable.
Prabhupada: Yes. Spacesuit is not suitable. But if you can go with the spacesuit that may be contradiction, but that I am certain you cannot go.
Reporter: I’m confused.
Prabhupada: I say… Just try to understand me, that if you can prepare a suitable body, you can go there. But this spacesuit is not the suitable body. Is that all right? Now if you actually go there by this spacesuit, that will be contradiction to my statement, but I am certain you cannot do that.
Reporter: I see.
Prabhupada: Yes. So there will be no contradiction. Just clearly try to understand.
Reporter: Okay. Then I’ll try to repeat what you said and see if I am correct.
Prabhupada: I’ll repeat. I’ll repeat. First thing is that to enter into the Moon planet you have to prepare yourself for a different body. If that body, you think that it is already made by the spacesuit, spacesuit is that different body, then it will be contradiction to my statement. But I say that with the spacesuit that you have manufactured, that is not fit to enter there. Now it is clear? The spacesuit is not fit for entering there. Is that clear?
Reporter: Yes.
Prabhupada: Now if by chance with this spacesuit you enter there, that will be contradiction, that nobody can enter. But I say you can enter there with a suitable body. If you think that the spacesuit is that suitable body then you can enter there. But I think this spacesuit is not that suitable body.
Reporter: If I think the spacesuit is suitable…
Prabhupada: For entering that Moon planet… That is your statement, but I say that spacesuit is not suitable for entering into the…
Reporter: If I think the spacesuit is suitable and, say, if I am an astronaut and I land there, I can land there?
Prabhupada: If it is suitable. First thing that if it is suitable you can land. But to my opinion it is not suitable. Therefore you cannot land.
Reporter: Well… So then you are not saying then that it would be impossible for…
Prabhupada: That I never say. I say in the beginning that in order to enter Moon planet you have to get a suitable type of body. That suitable type of body is not that spacesuit. Therefore the conclusion is that you cannot enter with this spacesuit. Is it clear?
Reporter: That part is clear, but not if other questions are asked.
[The logic is a bit hard to follow, but to sum it up:

A: If you get a suitable body you can go to the Moon.
B: If science can equip you with suitable body you can go to the Moon.
C: A space suit is not a suitable body; ergo, you cannot go to the Moon.

Almost 7 months later, on July 20th of 1969, Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon. Yes, not in the realm of the higher beings allegedly present on the Moon, but the Moon we can see almost every night all over the world.]

BG 4.7-10, Los Angeles, January 6, 1969
Just like people are trying for so many years to go to the Moon planet. The Russian and the American scientists are competing. But they are so bound up, they go some, say, thousands and thousands of miles up, again come back. Just see how they are bound up. You cannot go. So this is the nearest planet, and there are so many other planets also. So you cannot go by your whims or by your will. This is called bondage.

SB 5.5.2, Boston, April 28, 1969
Just like you are trying to go to the Moon planet. You cannot go because your body is not purified to stay there. Just like in your American country you do not allow everyone — there is check by the immigration department, what class of men you shall admit — similarly, you cannot enter in the Moon planet by force unless you are purified. Or the temperature, the atmosphere, is so severe there, it is unfit. It is the statement of the scientists who are trying to go there that the temperature is below two hundred degrees zero. So how you can live there?

Lecture at Engagement, Columbus, may 19, 1969
You are trying to go to the Moon planet, you are trying to go to the sun planet or you can go any other planet. There are millions of planets. And the highest planet is called Brahmaloka. And modern scientists say that to reach to the highest planet in this universe it will take forty thousands of years.

BG 2.13, Hamburg, September 10, 1969
So, if we like, we can go to the higher planetary system, heavenly planetary system. Just like we are trying to go to the Moon planet, but we have not been successful. In this way we cannot go there. Each planet, each and every planet, has got different atmosphere. So unless your body is completely competent to live in such planet, you cannot go there. Just like the scientists say that in the Moon planet the temperature is two hundred degrees below zero.

Lecture, London, September 26, 1969
If you want to go to the Moon planet, you can go. There are rules and regulation, mean, how you can prepare yourself. Not like that you go there with some masked dress and capture some sand and come out of the… Not like that. Actually, you go there and live there and enjoy life there. That is possible.
[In November of 1969 Apollo 12 landed on the Moon. In April of 1970 Apollo 13 was aborted due to an accident.]

SB 6.1.6, Bombay, November 6, 1970
Just like modern scientists, they are finding difference between this planet and the Moon planet. They say that there is no living entity. That is not fact. They… Even though they have reached the Moon planet, it is not a fact that there is no living entity. Accepting they reached the Moon planet, they might have gone to the part where it is desert or barren land, because in each and every planet there is such possibility. In our, this planet also, when I was passing through the Suez Canal, it is horrible desert. So if somebody drops in that Arabian desert and concludes that there is no living entity in this planet, it is simply foolish. Similarly, these people are going, maybe going… First of all, I don’t believe they have gone, frankly speaking. Even they have gone, they are landing in some part of the Moon planet where there is no inhabitation.
[In February of 1971 Apollo 14 landed on the Moon, followed in July by Apollo 15.]

SB 1.1.2, London, August 16, 1971
Just like these so-called scientists are going to the Moon planet and coming back — because conditioned.

Room Conversation, December 11, 1971, New Delhi
The same example: just like so-called scientists, Russian and American, for so many years they’re trying to go to the Moon planet, nearest planet. But here is no shelter. Actually, I do not know whether they have gone, but why they are coming back? Let them remain there, construct house there, there is everything. If there is no such possibility, why these rascals are going there? Practically, if it is full of dust only, why these rascals are going to see the dust every time? (laughter) Ask these rascals that “What benefit? You’re spending so much money and going to the Moon planet and touching, ‘Now my flag is on the dust,’ (laughter) and go back with little pebbles, ‘Oh, we have gone.’ ” No. Moon-reaching day, holiday. Nixon, another rascal. Great rascal. Holiday. And what do you want there? Patanty adhah. After so much endeavor, trying to go to the Moon planet, they are failing. And what to speak of other planets? What to speak of the Brahmaloka, Tapaloka, Jana…? They are there. We are seeing every day, at night, there are so many. Who is going there? The nearest planet, which is about 200,000 miles, I think it is so, from here, the Moon planet, and they cannot go. And what to speak of other planets? There are many. They do not…, cannot calculate how far they are, but we see every night there. So how imperfect knowledge they are. That is my point. And still they are going as scientists. Lokasya ajanatah. They are so fools and rascal, still they are passing on as scientists, big men, learned men. No. None of them. This is our challenge. None of them.

Room Conversation, Sydney, April 1, 1972
At once. Yes. The newspaper said that “Mr. such and such went to Moon planet.” Oh, immediately believe. See? A newspaper, ten cent worth newspaper. And in the Bhagavad-gita Krishna says, yanti deva vrata devan: [Bg. 9.25] “One who can… One can go to the demigods planets by worshiping them. You can go, yanti deva vrata devan, as others. Similarly, one can come to Me by worshiping Me.” Mad yajino ‘pi yanti mam. So they never worshiped Chandra, and how they can go to the Chandra planet, or Moon planet? Then Krishna is false. Krishna is imperfect. They become perfect. They are defying Krishna’s instruction. They have gone to Moon planet. Then our whole propaganda, Krishna consciousness, becomes bogus. Therefore I always protest.
Sudama: They have not gone.
Prabhupada: They have not gone. We have got our tests. I am speaking from the very beginning, “They have not gone.” And practically you see, even if you have gone, what utility you have made? They are simply planning, again planning. “We shall get petrol from there. We shall have defense from there.” Simply bluffing, simply bluffing. The Americans will go to the Moon planet to defend his country from the Russians. Just see. And we have to believe all these nonsense proposals. What defense they will do from there? Is it not the proposal? Yes.
[Three weeks after this conversation Apollo 16 landed on the Moon.]

SB 2.1.5, Los Angeles, August 13, 1972
Just like in modern days, especially your American scientists, they are going to the Moon planet. But when their stock of, that machine, is finished, immediately they come down. Similarly, you may go to the heavenly planet or to the Brahmaloka… There are very large span of life and opulence you can enjoy. But as soon as like your bank balance is finished, you have to come down.

SB 1.3.22, Los Angeles, September 27, 1972
The Moon planet, that is one of the heavenly planets, and if anyone can go there, he gets ten thousands of years span of life. And the standard of living is very higher than this planet. These are the description in the Vedic literature. In the Bhagavad-gita also, it is said, yanti deva-vrata devan [BG 9.25]. If you want to be promoted to a heavenly planets, then you just perform the duties to please the particular demigod, you’ll be… So these materialist scientists, they are thinking that they can go anywhere by the force of their so-called scientific advancement. But it has not proved successful till now. But still, they will say, “Yes, in future we shall go.” All right, in future. “Trust no future, however pleasant.” That’s all.

The Nectar of Devotion, Vrindavana, October 20, 1972
…scientists who are going to the Moon by some artificial process that even though mechanically, on the gross level, they may reach the Moon planet, because they cannot enter into the actual activity on the Moon planet, technically, according to Bhagavata, they have not reached there?
Prabhupada: Yes. If you go… Suppose if somebody comes on this Earthly planet and goes to the Arabian desert, then what he’ll find? He must go back again.
Devotee: So he can say he has been there grossly, but actually he has not been there because he cannot enter into the activity there.
Prabhupada: Yes. He, they have not gone to the proper place. They have gone to the Arabian desert. That’s all. (laughter)
Devotee: Don’t think it is wrong. (end)

Rotary Club Lecture, Ahmedabad, December 5, 1972
Just like we are trying to go the Moon planet, but why we are becoming failure, at least, up to date? They say that there is no living entity in the Moon planet, but here we find in the Bhagavad-gita, nityah sarva-gatah. The living entity is everywhere. At least, we find on this planet, even in deserted place, there are a certain type of vegetable. That is living entity. Sometimes some microbes. Sometimes insect.

BG 13.3, Bombay, December 30, 1972
You cannot go by force in any planet. You have to prepare yourself. Just in this planet also, if you want to go to some other country, in America, you have to prepare yourself for passport, visa, and what… So many papers. Pink forms. And bank balance. This, that, so many things. You cannot by force, that “I have come to America…” The immigration department will immediately check: “Where is your passport? Where is your visa? Where is your bona fide?” Similarly, if such rules and regulations are here, even in this planet, how you dare to go into the Moon planet or other planet by force? This is all childish. Now they have stopped. The American government has stopped financing this foolish excursion. Going to the Moon planet. They have stopped. They have now come to sense that simply these so-called scientists, they’re experi, experimenting on public money and wasting. Long, long ago, when I wrote my book, Easy Journey to Other Planets, I described: “This Moon planet excursion, simply childish and foolishness.” And about two, three years ago, in San Francisco the press reporters asked my opinion about the Moon, Moon planet. So I told them: “it is simply waste of time and money.” Now, now it is happening. Long, long ago, I said this. This is not possible.
[December saw the landing of Apollo 17, the last mission in the Apollo project.]

SB 1.8.31, Los Angeles, April 23, 1973
They’re trying to go to the Moon planet. Actually they do not know what it is. Actually. Then why they’re coming back? If they knew it perfectly, what it is, then they would have resided there by this time. They are trying for the last twenty years. Simply they are seeing: “Not this. There is no living entities. There is no possibility of our living there.” So many “Nos.” And what is yes? No, they do not know. And this is only one planet or one star. The Moon planet is taken as star. The scientists, they say the stars are all suns, but according to our information, in the Bhagavad-gita: naksatranam aham sasi. Sasi means the Moon is just like so many stars. So what is the position of the Moon? Moon is bright being reflection of the sun. So according to our calculation the sun is one. But the modern scientists say that there are so many suns, the stars. We don’t agree. This is only one universe. There are many suns, innumerable, but in each and every sun, every universe, there is one sun, not many.

Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 17, 1973, Los Angeles
Just like, say, Moon planet-hopelessness. What is there? They spend so much time and money, but what is this? Hopelessness. They do not know. All scientists are working, all politicians are financing, but result is hopelessness. Is it not? Similarly, everything they are doing, but they are so rascal, they will never admit that “We are failure.” Still they will stick, “Yes, we are success… Future, in ten years we shall do it. Never mind.”

Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 17, 1973, Los Angeles
Svarupa Damodara:
That is why they were very careful. When the astronauts from the Moon, when they come back on the surface of the planet, they thought there might be some germs which they do not know yet. So they put it in quarantine for several days, to make sure that they are…
Prabhupada: First of all make sure whether he had gone there, and then talk of all these things. (laughing) I am not sure they are going there.
Krsna-kanti: You know they made another blunder.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. What is that?
Krsna-kanti: They made a spaceship that they wanted to orbit around the earth so that they could send men and ship an outpost.
Karandhara: A house, station.
Krsna-kanti: So they sent it up and it failed. It cost two billion dollars or something, squandered.
Prabhupada: Just see why they are wasting time in that way? Money.
Krsna-kanti: They were criticized in the paper.
Prabhupada: Fool. Simply childish. Balaka. What are they gaining? For the last, how many years they are trying? For going to the Moon planet?
Svarupa Damodara: Russia started in 1957. First sputnik where Gagarin was there…
Prabhupada: Twenty-five years. So they could not get anything, not a single farthing even. Still, they are doing. Just see, obstinacy. Punah punas carvita. This is called chewing the chewed. Punah punas carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30]. They will never be successful. So I am a layman. When I wrote that Easy Journey? In 1950, 67. How many years?
Karandhara: Six years.
Prabhupada: No, no. Not 67, 57. Sixteen years before. They are all childish. I am a layman. It will never be successful. It is already written there in my Easy Journey to Other Planets. Here also, that, some press reporter asked me in San Francisco, when I landed, “What is your position about this Moon planet?” “It is simply a waste of time and energy. That’s all. You cannot go there.”
[The blunder referred to is the launch of the first American space station, Skylab, on May 14, 1973, which was flawed. It was, however, by no means an unsuccessful mission. Skylab was repaired and remained fully operational from May 25, 1973 until February 8, 1974. It re-entered the Earth’s atmosphere in 1979.]

Room Conversation with Lord Brockway, July 23, 1973, London
Just like people are trying to go to the Moon planet. So if you prepare yourself, you haven’t got to take a machine and go to the Moon planet. You can go to the Moon planet. That is stated in the sastras. You can prepare yourself. That means transfer your, yourself to a body in the Moon planet. You transfer yourself for a body in the sun planet. So there are innumerable planets. And there is a planet where Krishna lives, or God lives, also. So if you like, you can transfer yourself to a body in Krishna’s planet. These are explained here. Simply you have to adopt the prescribed method. “By following this method, you transfer to such and such planet.” “By following this method, you can transfer…” There is no need of taking this mechanical… That is not possible also. It is futile attempt. You cannot go by force. Because different planets, they have got different atmosphere. So you have to transfer yourself to a suitable body which is suitable in that planet. And for that, you have to prepare. You cannot go with this body into Moon planet. Because atmosphere… Some scientists say… I read in the paper that the temperature in Moon planet is two hundred degrees below zero. So how you can go and live there? It is not possible.

SB 5.5.1-8, Stockholm, September 8, 1973
The scientists calculate it will take forty thousands of years to reach there by the light year. So they are so much proud of material science. They see the sun, the Moon. They cannot go there. Cannot go there. There are so many planets; we see at night. They are actually planets like this planet. But who can go there?

SB 1.15.21, Los Angeles, December 1, 1973
They are going to the so-called Moon planet and coming back. The first aeronautics from Russia, when he was far, far away, he was just looking after, “Where is my Moscow? Where is my Moscow?” You see. This is our intelligence. You may go far away. There is an example. Just like the vulture, they have got a very good eyesight, very good eyesight. You… Seven miles away from the surface, they can see where there is a dead corpse. So they have got good eyesight, but they are searching after dead corpse only. That is their business. These so-called scientists, philosophers, they are very much advanced, but their only business is how to become happy in this planet.

Morning Walk, December 9, 1973, Los Angeles
Just like these rascal scientists, they could not go and settle in the Moon planet. Still, they are saying, “It is success. It is success.” Just see the fun. What success? You could not stay there, and what success you have got? Simply by seeing a crack? “Yes.” That’s all right, success. And people are accepting, “Oh, yes, you are successful. Now go to another planet.” These bogus things are going on

Morning Walk, December 9, 1973, Los Angeles
And if there are good leaders, then they will see that the cheating scientists, they’re spoiling state money. They’ll be stopped in their nefarious activities. They could not become successful in the Moon expedition. Now they have made another plan. Venus… What is? Venus expedition?
Karandhara: Mars, Jupiter.
Hrdayananda: Mars.
Prabhupada: Mars. You see? But the rascal government does not… You could not become successful about the Moon expedition. Why you are asking money again?
Svarupa Damodara: They say they are successful.
Prabhupada: What is that successful?
Svarupa Damodara: Because they have gone to the Moon. So that was a direct…
Prabhupada: That you are not successful. You live there. What is the use of going there?
Svarupa Damodara: They wanted to know what is going on there.
Prabhupada: Oh. That is another rascaldom. What is going on… There are so many things going on. So you have to spend money for going all to the planets, what they are doing, or… Only for that?
Karandhara: They haven’t taken care of business here.
Prabhupada: Eh? Just see…
Karandhara: They haven’t taken care of things here.

Morning Walk, June 3, 1974, Geneva
…the Moon planet, there is no rainfall?
Karandhara: No, according to scientists there is no (indistinct) of rainfall on the Moon.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Bhagavan: It’s very hot and very cold.
Yogesvara: Have they made another mistake?
Prabhupada: And there is no water also.
Karandhara: No.
Bhagavan: No, water.
Yogesvara: They say that the Moon is covered by a very thick layer of dust.
Prabhupada: But according to our sastra, Moon is one of the heavenly planets. [break] …is Moon in any way? Because there is no water?
Karandhara: They say that if they want to set up some houses there, they have to, everything has to be brought there. There’s nothing there to use.
Prabhupada: How the house will be brought there?
Karandhara: Well, they plan on in the future building stations and…
Prabhupada: The water has to be taken from the station?
Karandhara: Yes. Air, water, everything has to be taken.
Prabhupada: Oh. And still they must go there. And we are proposing another planet, Vaikuntha planet. They are not willing to go there.
Yogesvara: They have found one use for all this space travel. They’ve decided to… They’ve experimented grounding lenses, grinding lenses in outer space since there’s less dust. They can grind lenses that are more perfect.
Prabhupada: Hm. Spectacle glass. Good advantage.
Bhagavan: There’s another purpose. Instead of testing bombs on the earth, they are trying to test bombs on the Moon.
Prabhupada: pisaci paile yena mati-cchanna haya maya-grasta jivera haya se bhava udaya Pisaci, ghostly haunted person, as he speaks so many nonsense, similarly, these persons who are captivated by maya, they also speak all nonsense. Ghostly haunted persons. Hare Krishna. (japa) What is that? You want to return?
Guru-gauranga: There’s a park over there. It’s very nice to go to.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Guru-gauranga: The entrance is a little further down the road.
Bhagavan: Over here Srila Prabhupada. [break]
Pusta-krishna: Look up in the sky here and you can see all the different planets and stars. Can you also look up into the sky, the brahmajyoti, and see all the different Vaikuntha planets?
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. The space is three-fourths there. Here the space is one fourth. In one-fourth space there are unlimited number of universes, ananta-koti. This material world is situated in a one-fourth space, and three-fourths space, in the spiritual world. Just imagine how big it is. There the Vaikuntha planets, each planet is as big as the universe, so big. There are aeroplanes also. It is described in the Second Canto of Bhagavatam.
Pusta-krishna: When one looks up towards Goloka Vrindavana. Just as the… There’s a description in Brahma-samhita of Goloka Vrindavana with the lotus petals, corolla of lotus petals.
Prabhupada: No. Lotus… These Vaikunthas are like lotus petals, and the Krishnaloka is the middle portion, whorl of the lotus. This way? (some talking in background, French) [break]
Prabhupada: So their body and your body has nothing to do individually. Harer nama [CC Adi 17.21]. [break] …living entities. As soon as there is opportunity, they are coming up. [break] …as have got experience within this planet there is water. And the watermelons, they grow very nicely in the desert. And you see, within the watermelon, there is water. So wherefrom this water is coming? Hm? Wherefrom the water is coming.
Pusta-krishna: The Bhagavad-gita says that the world is made up of eight energies: earth, air, water, fire, ether…
Prabhupada: No, no. That Bhagavad-gita says. I am talking you, you are scientist. Wherefrom the watermelon water comes, and they are grown in the desert?
Karandhara: Well, they say the watermelon has an extensive root system which extracts the water from the…
Prabhupada: So that means there is water.
Karandhara: Yes.
Prabhupada: So how you can say there is no water in the Moon planet?
Karandhara: Well, they can take samples in the desert and find out if there is certain degree of moisture in the soil. They have taken the same samples on the Moon and say that there is no moisture.
Prabhupada: So why the Moon planet is bereft of? Material, anything material, it is combination of earth, water, fire, air, ether. Anything material. It is a combination.
Karandhara: Well, there are probably very minute quantities of moisture on the Moon. But they say nothing significant, nothing suitable for agriculture.
Yogesvara: There are no plants growing on the Moon. In the desert we find some plants, but they have not found any vegetation on the Moon.
Prabhupada: That means they have not gone thoroughly. One portion of it.
Karandhara: Well, they have scanners on these satellites which pick up vegetation or life. From hundreds miles away, it will show up on a screen. And they sent it all around the Moon, and it hasn’t shown any indication of any organic matter or life. They can send this satellite up around the earth planet and they can locate fields of corn, fields of wheat, from hundreds of miles away, just by the way it shows up on these different electronic devices. [break]
Prabhupada: Take one of these… [break]
Yogesvara: The vegetables, made of different elements. [break] …and they say they found indications of elements that were existing at the time of creation that went into the making of the living entities… (end)

SB 2.1.1-5, Melbourne, June 26, 1974
And there is biggest, bigger than the biggest, the whole universe. Although you have got airships, you cannot go, neither others. So many machines have been discovered, but go and see the… They cannot go even to the Moon planet, what to speak of others. Therefore it is very big for us.

SB 1.16.19, Los Angeles, July 9, 1974
Svarupa Damodara:
That there was an explosion in the (indistinct), and they could not go to the Moon. So they were in danger in outer space. So they were requesting all the people so to “Pray to God so that I can come back safe and sound to this planet.” (laughter)
Prabhupada: When they are in danger they pray to God for safe and sound, but when they go to the Moon planet: “We are scientist.” (laughter) Just see how much foolish they are! When they go to the Moon planet, at that time, “God give us permission, we may go”? No. “We are scientists. (laughter) We don’t care for God.” But when they are in danger, “God save us.” (laughter) Just see what kind of scientists they are.

Bhagavad-Gita 4.12, Vrindavan, August 4, 1974
“I say therefore, these Americans, that ‘You are born of this rich nation. That is also a result of pious activities.’ Because janma… Janmaisvarya-sruta-sri. And wealth also. The Americans have got immense wealth. That is also a result of pious activities. And janmaisvarya-sruta, education. They have got the highest education. Now they are going, trying to go to the Moon planet. Or they have gone. That is education, scientific education. And sri, they’re beautiful also. All Americans… We have seen so many boys and girls here. They’re beautiful also. This is not ordinary thing. This is due to pious activities. Janmaisvarya-sruta-sri.”

BG 16.8, Tokyo, January 28, 1975
Now they are studying that the Moon planet is also planet, but it is differently situated. Differently situated, as they are studying, that is different from the sastras, but there is difference from this planet to that planet. These modern scientists, they say that there is no life, and there cannot be any living entity, considering the atmosphere. But from the sastra we know in the Moon planet… That is one of the heavenly planets, and there are living entities. They are living for ten thousand years, and it is very cold there. Therefore they drink soma-rasa. And some of the scientists, they say that the temperature in the Moon planet is 200 degrees below zero. So similarly, you will find every planet is different from the atmospheric condition of the other planet.

Departure Lecture, London, March 12, 1975
Just like these Moon-planet-goers, they attempted many times jumping, but they could not get any shelter. They have come back again. Now they have I think left off. What is that? “Grapes are sour.” After jumping, jumping, the jackal, when he could not get the grapes, then he says that “Grapes are sour.” That is… (laughter) “No need.” So these so-called scientists, after jumping like the jackal, could not get any place in the Moon planet, and they have come down again. It is not possible. You cannot go to any of the planets, although they are material. You cannot… Just like you cannot go to any country without getting the visa permit, similarly… There are many planets. They are open for your entrance, but not in that way, that by force you will go. That is not possible.

Morning Walk, Perth, May 16, 1975
This “Sunday, Monday,” means first sun, then Moon. Where they are going? They are going to hell, not in the Moon. This Vedic description is right. Because first study, Sunday… That, we offer gayatri to the sun. So the Moon is after the sun – this is the proof, first Sunday, then Monday. So if their calculation is 93,000,000 miles from here, and Moon is (sic:) one million, six thousand still farther, then where they are going? If they simply follow strictly this Moon expedition and they admit they have not gone, then the whole civilization will change. All wrong conclusion.

Morning Walk, Perth, May 18, 1975
By argument, by teaching. [break] Just see how nice flower is coming from the sand. And they say there is no vegetation. What is the difference between this sand and that sand? Sand is sand. Huh? How they are coming? Wherefrom they are getting nourishment? If there no possibility of living being, who is coming to water it? Nobody is coming. In this place, flower, it is a good as the flower growing on the land. But they are growing in the sand, you see. You see actually in the sand things are coming out, and one rascal will say, “No, there is no life.” We have to believe it? Even it is full of sand and dust. Here we see dust and sand produce life, so why shall I believe these rascals about sand? What is the difference between that sand and this sand?
[Bubble-scope. Besides the fact that plants usually do not grow at all in pure sand, the “sand” on the Moon is obviously different from sand here on Earth. The properties of Moon dust, or regolith, is further explained in the other material on this site. Not to mention the temperature extremes and lack of atmosphere.]

Amogha: Some scientists admit there is life there, there may be life…
Prabhupada: No, no, these scientists are all rascals; first of all take it, don’t believe it. “Some scientists say”; then who is real scientist? This scientist says there is no life, another scientist says there may be, then who is right, hm?
Amogha: They have to go and see. (laughs) But they don’t see any signs of civilization or buildings, so they say it may be plant life, but they don’t see anything…
Prabhupada: First of all whether you have gone there. That is our charge, “You have not gone there.”
Amogha: That’s what we are trying to do. In a few years we will find out.
[Meanwhile, over 30 years have passed and no irrefutable evidence whatsoever has been presented that the moon landings were faked, at least not by Amogha and the “we” he is referring to. ISKCON has thus far never ventured into presenting an official, GBC-concerted position statement on the Moon landings.]

Prabhupada: Yes. They might have gone to some hellish planet, where there is only sand, only, and very hot, and the culprit is pushed through that deserted place to the Yamaraja. And before going to Yamaraja he has to suffer so much. There are places, copper like, you see. (aside:) Hare Krishna. So hot, and the criminal has to go on that copper land. There are mentioned for many millions of miles simply copper, and one has to pass through that to Yamaraja. So, they might have gone to some such place, not to the Moon planet, who is the source of vegetation even throughout the whole universe — and in his own planet there is no vegetation. Now I am sure they have not gone to Moon planet. How they will go? It is beyond the sun. I was protesting that they have not gone; now I am convinced that they have not gone. The Russian scientists and the American scientists joined on the platform, “Don’t expose me, I don’t expose you.” (laughter) (Bengali) “You have to do your business and same I have to do my business. Let us support one another.” In all other case, they are inimical, and the scientific field they are friends. That means that if a scientist, another scientist, opposes me, then my attempt will be futile, so let us don’t do it.
Srutakirti: You don’t expose me, and I won’t expose you.
Prabhupada: Because we are doing business, we are getting money from these rascal government, so if you expose me, then I will not get money, and if I expose you, you will not get money. Let us remain together and let them remain fools. That’s all. This is it. If a common man like me can understand the whole policy, how the scientist will not understand? But they have made a compromise that “Don’t expose me, I’ll not expose you, and let us take money from the government.” This is going on.
[For some unexplained reason humans apparently are qualified to make rockets and space suits and enter into the lower realms that are normally restricted to the dead and the demigod Yamaraja, or “some such place”. It is also unclear what prompts Prabhupada to come up with a joint USA – USSR conspiracy theory. Perhaps from disciples who dabbled in such theories? Bill Kaising had published his book We Never Went To The Moon in 1974 and was one of the first to cook up this idea.]

Morning Walk, Melbourne, May 21, 1975
The first Moon landing was 1961.
[Actually, the first Moon landing was Apollo 11 on July 20, 1969.]

Prabhupada: That is beginning. First of all they sent dog. (laughter)
Madhudvisa: Space dog. Space mouse.
Prabhupada: Huh? Space mouse.
Devotee: Space monkey also.
Prabhupada: So since 1955 even. So twenty years, what they have done?
Devotee: Spent billions of dollars.
Prabhupada: Yes, simply they have brought little dust, that’s all.
Madhudvisa: Now they have found that that same dust is here on the earth.
[As explained in depth here, the dust is not like anything found here on Earth. This is an unfounded argument by Moon-hoax advocate Bill Kaysing that he has never been able to back-up.]

Prabhupada: Yes. Simply propaganda. They are not going. Now the Russian scientist and American scientist are combined. Because both of them thieves, so one thief is asking, “Don’t expose me. I will not expose you, so that our business will go on.” This is the way. “Let us combine together and cheat these rascals, and otherwise, if you expose me, then I will expose you. Then our business will stop.”
[This is the second time Srila Prabhupada asserts his idea of a conspiracy between the US and the former Sovjet Union. He offers no details or tangible proof, however.]

Morning Walk, June 2, 1975, Honolulu
[This is likely one of the most revealing discussions about the Moon landing issue between Bhaktivedanta Swami and some of his senior disciples. Keep in mind that the last Apollo flight took place in December of 1972. This is two and a half years later and after the publication of Bill Kaising’s book in 1974, which devotees eagerly accepted. By now, it is becoming a bit disconcerting to see Bhaktivedanta Swami’ ongoing methodology of making pseudo-absolute statements that are really nothing more than assumptions and argument-stoppers. How could his disciples not believe he was omniscient, when he makes such flippant judgments — almost as if he was privy to secret, insider knowledge? Especially when followed by his favorite authoritative assertions of “This is going on,” “That’s all,” and “That is a fact.” On the other hand one can clearly see the stubborn unwillingness to rise above naivety.]

Prabhupada: You see? They want to draw some salary, big salaries, by bluffing the government and the public. This is their business. They are failing. They have finished their business on this planet; now they are going another planet. These are nonsense. [break] They know that “We… So as far as possible, we have bluffed. Now our business in this planet is finished. So let us go to another planet.” This is going on.
Paramahamsa: Even if they wanted to stop this space project, they couldn’t stop because they’ve already spent billions of dollars for making equipment and rocket ships and launching pads and rocket bases and so many employees. If they stop, then so much would be wasted, so many people would be unemployed. So they have to continue even if they know that it’s a bluff.
Prabhupada: That is the way of falsehood. If once you speak something false, then to protect that falsehood you have to take to so many other falsehoods. This is the way of falsehood.
Paramahamsa: One lie leads to another.
Prabhupada: [break] …are going to Venus, Americans and Russians combined together?
Ambarisa: This summer.
Prabhupada: Oh, in the summer. Venus is very cold? Why they have selected summer season? (laughter) [break] …could not go to the Moon, and Venus is far above Moon. How they will go?
Bali-mardana: They’re not going to Venus, are they?
Paramahamsa: Are they going to Mars?
Bali-mardana: No, they’re just going around the earth, right?
Ambarisa: Yeah, they’re linking up in space.
Devotee (3): Prabhupada, when they said they went to the Moon and they showed films of them landing and walking on the Moon, was this all a bluff?
Prabhupada: Yes, here they… All laboratory work, that’s all.
Devotee (3): They all made it up?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bali-mardana: Prabhupada, they are not going to go to Venus. The American and Russian, they are just going to meet outside the earth. They are not going to any planet.
Prabhupada: Oh, that is finished.
Bali-mardana: It is too difficult.
Ambarisa: They’re going to meet in space and float around in space.
Prabhupada: That is birds are doing also. What is the credit?
Paramahamsa: They are thinking that “What is the use of going to any other planet, because there is no life on the other planets.”
[It never fails to amaze me how some of Bhaktivedanta Swami’ disciples are also practically omniscient, particularly Paramahamsa, as becomes clear throughout the conversation. The worrisome aspect is that they appear to emulate him…]

Prabhupada: Why no life?
Paramahamsa: Well, they have photographs and things.
Prabhupada: Photograph, what is this nonsense photograph? How long it can go up?
Ambarisa: They’re taken from hundreds of miles up in space, and then they say there is no life.
Prabhupada: What is hundreds of miles? It is, er, forty billion, what is that?
Paramahamsa: Four billion.
Prabhupada: Four billion. So how they can calculate?
Paramahamsa: If they took a photograph of the earth planet from up in space, they would probably also say there is no life.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Devotee (3): They say because the atmosphere is not like this planet, others cannot live there.
Prabhupada: Why not atmosphere? The Moon planet, there is a planet. There is space. There is surface. There is dust. So why not atmosphere the same? It is made of the same ingredients, earth, water, fire. Why do you say that is not same atmosphere?
Devotee (3): They are saying that it’s too cold or too hot.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. That is here also. There are many cold places. Do they think that in the cold places there is no life? All nonsense. And only nonsense will believe them. I never believed it. Why? Here we see under this sand there is life. The crabs, what is called? They live within, so many hundreds of thousands. We have seen on the sand.
Indian man: And the polar bears for cold season for living in mounds of snows and all.
Prabhupada: There are birds, some birds.
Paramahamsa: Penguins.
Prabhupada: Yes. Penguins birds. There is life.
Bali-mardana: Seals, whales, polar bears…
Prabhupada: There is life everywhere. Bhagavad-gita says, sarva-gah. The life is there everywhere. And Moon planet, according to our Vedic literature, that is one of the demigods’ place. People live there daiva age, ten thousand years.
Devotee (3): They will not believe in the demigods…
Prabhupada: So I will not believe them. That’s all, finished. (laughter)
Devotee (3): They cannot see them.
Prabhupada: What can you see, teeny eyes? What can you see? Can you see what is there on the other side of the sea? Then does it mean there is nothing? Your nonsense seeing. Why you are believing of seeing? Your seeing power is very, very limited. Why do you believe in seeing? That is childish, “I cannot see.” What you can see? First of all, let us consider this point. You cannot see anything.
Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, people will be very surprised to find out that the Moon is farther away from us than the sun when they read your…, when they read Fifth Canto.
Prabhupada: But at least, they could not go there. Otherwise, why they are giving up this job? They could not go there. That’s a fact. Their plan was to… They were selling land even on the Moon planet.
Ambarisa: Selling land on the Moon?
Prabhupada: Yes. (laughter)
Srutakirti: They were selling airline tickets also.
Prabhupada: Ah, yes. (laughter) Just see, route. Pan American, yes. They sold so many tickets. Such fools there are.
Bali-mardana: In New York sometimes people sell new immigrants the Brooklyn Bridge.

Prabhupada: And Moscow Sea. They pitched one flag in the Moon planet and named Moscow Sea. Yes.
Indian man: Just like you said that this Moon and other planets are also made of these five elements — earth, water, fire, ether — they brought a rock from there. So they are accepting that the Moon is made of those elements also. But they are not accepting that life is there.
Prabhupada: No, they’ll not accept. Therefore… therefore fools. Why? The circumstance is the same. Why there should be no life? That is foolishness. We have got experience. As soon as there is water, there is life. As soon as there is land, there is life. As soon as there is air, there is life. So where is life? No life.
Devotee (3): They may agree in undeveloped species, but as far as higher forms of life, they will not agree, such as humans or demigods.
Prabhupada: No, that also we cannot agree. If there are lower species, there must be higher species. As we see here is dog also, man also, higher species, lower species, why not there? They can talk all nonsense, but a nonsense will believe. No sane man will believe. [break] …going to meet in the space?
Ambarisa: Yes.
Prabhupada: What is the idea?
Ambarisa: It’s a diplomatic move. They feel it will make friendly relationships between the two countries.
Indian man: They cannot meet on the earth and they are going to meet on the… (laughter) [break]
Prabhupada: So I am the only man in the world challenging that “You have not gone to the Moon planet.” Eh?
Harikesa: Is it possible there’s some difference as to the definition of what the Moon planet is? They will say that the Moon planet is that planet out there. Do we agree? At night?
Prabhupada: What is your definition? First of all let me hear.
Harikesa: I’m still wondering myself.
Prabhupada: We have got our definition.
Harikesa: What do we call those planets that rotate around Jupiter and Saturn and… They will say those are also moons.
Prabhupada: Yes. Different planets, different position. Just like this sun planet is fiery. There is fire. Similarly, in Moon planet there is fire, but it is surrounded by cold atmosphere. Therefore it is cooling.
Harikesa: So that’s the specific characteristic of this Moon?
Prabhupada: Which Moon? Yes, this is…
Harikesa: Our Moon.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: So the other moons that rotate around Saturn and Jupiter…
Prabhupada: Other Moon? There is no other Moon.
Harikesa: So they’re just planets?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: The Moon is not rotating around the earth. The Moon is further away than the sun.
Harikesa: The Moon is further away than the sun. Wow! (laughs)
Prabhupada: Yes.
Harikesa: Why does it seem like the Moon is…
Prabhupada: Seen? Who has seen it? First of all let me…, who has seen it? (Devotees are laughing)
Harikesa: There’s nothing you can say.
Ambarisa: Prabhupada, you said the other day that pretty soon all these lies will be exposed.
Prabhupada: They are already exposed because they have left that expedition. That means they are hopeless. That is exposed. But foolish people will not ask them that “Why you have stopped this expedition?” They will again go on bluffing, and they will accept. That is the position. Now people should ask them, “Why you have stopped Moon expedition and Venus expedition? You proposed you were going there, making arrangement. Why you have stopped?” It is failure.
Harikesa: They might argue…
Prabhupada: What is the argument? You have stopped. That is your failure, that’s all. You can argue to the laymen, foolish men, but we will say you have stopped; therefore it is failure. All bogus propaganda is now stopped.
Devotee (3): They are saying the Moon isn’t worth develop…
Prabhupada: Now they cannot say anything because they are failure. Anything they say, that is all foolishness. They cannot say anything. Once you are failure, you have no value, anything you say.
Harikesa: I’ve heard the argument that when they are going to the Moon, they are always in contact, bouncing off these sonar waves and radar waves off the Moon’s surface, and when they are coming near, they can even see from their little portholes the Moon’s surface, the same Moon that they see on the earth.
Prabhupada: They say all nonsense. That’s all. (chuckles) Why the earth is not brilliant at night like the Moon?
Bali-mardana: It depends on where you are. It depends on where you are looking from.
Prabhupada: “Where you are” means?
Harikesa: They have pictures from the Moon taken of the earth.
Prabhupada: Pictures? First of all you see. Then take picture. You cannot see.
Harikesa: They use all these things to argue that they actually did go to the Moon.
Prabhupada: What is the meaning of argument if they have stopped? That is failure. Don’t talk nonsense anymore. Phalena pariciyate. By the result we have to understand. Your result is you are failure. Then what is the use of talking nonsense? Stop this nonsense.
Ambarisa: It’s like five years ago they declared a war on cancer, and they spent billions and billions of dollars on it, and just the other day they now said that it was a complete failure, that the disease has just kept on growing and growing.
Prabhupada: Yes. You cannot stop even cancer disease and you are controlling nature. Just see their (?) false, puffed up. They cannot control one disease, and they are going to control nature. We have to believe that.
Harikesa: He just told me I was spaced out because I wasn’t punching this in, but I’m still astounded by the fact that the Moon is further away than the sun. When the devotees hear this tape, they’re not going to believe it.
Prabhupada: Therefore they could not go. I… First of all I said that they might have gone to the Rahu planet.
[So, although it is not possible according to Bhaktivedanta Swami for people to go to the Moon, it may be possible to go to Rahu? This issue comes up again in other conversations.]

Harikesa: Yes, the Fourth Canto.
Prabhupada: Yes. First of all my conviction: they have gone nowhere. They have simply stayed in their laboratory, that’s all.
Indian man: Anyone can do that, bring some pictures and bring a rock.
Paramahamsa: Srila Prabhupada, I think somebody might have told you before, but there was a big scandal right after the Moon shot when they said they went to the Moon and…, that it was all staged in the desert of Arizona, that they…
Prabhupada: Yes, that is the fact.
[A “fact” only because it suits Bhaktivedanta Swami’s viewpoints, not because the statement itself was confirmed and its source verified. Those who claim that he was beyond blindly accepting information fed to him by his disciples are sorely mistaken.]

Bali-mardana: When Purusottama heard that, he blooped. (Devotees continue laughing.)
Prabhupada: Yes. In 1968 I was questioned by the reporters, “What is your opinion about this Moon? It is simply a waste of time and energy, that’s all. It is all false propaganda.” I told to the reporter.
Harikesa: Actually, these scientists and philosophers, they become very famous and popular by coming up with some brand new theories. So why don’t we widely publicize our theories?
Devotee (3): [break] …real information about the Moon from the Bhagavatam?
Prabhupada: Veda. Veda means knowledge. What is this? Some animal?
Paramahamsa: Fish. It has those horns, spines, so that no one can bother it. Protection.
Paramahamsa: It’s a porcupine fish.
Bali-mardana: Blowfish.
Srutakirti: They blow up like a ball. When someone comes to them, they expand very large.
Paramahamsa: And their spines stick out straight. It’s very dangerous.
Bali-mardana: Poisonous. [break]
Srutakirti: It’s twenty-five before seven.
Harikesa: Srila Prabhupada, do we say that they’ve gone to Rahu simply to placate them?
Prabhupada: No, accidentally they went to Rahu. Maybe. That is also not…
Indian man: [break]…gone at all outside this atmosphere of earth.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …haven’t gone to Moon planet, that is my… [break] …why they will give it up? That is the proof. America was found by Columbus. So many people came from Europe and utilized it. So if they would have gone to Moon planet, they would have utilized it. But they have not gone. That is the fact.
Paramahamsa: That was their original proposal, that they can utilize it, make colonies there.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Yes.
Devotee (3): The Moon exploration, because they thought that we cannot use the Moon like Columbus, they used America.
Prabhupada: That is your excuse.
Paramahamsa: They say it’s too much like the desert.
Harikesa: That’s cause they were in the desert. (laughs)
Prabhupada: [break] …grow so many nice dates, you know that? You cannot say in the desert there is no…
Paramahamsa: Oh, yes. Arabia they grow.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. [break] …desert nice watermelon will grow. Yes. Nice dates. So people go there, take the dates and take the watermelon. Krishna has provided food even there. [break]
Harikesa: Would one see gross form on a subtle planet?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Harikesa: Like the Moon planet is heavenly planet. They’re supposed to have subtle bodies there. So would there be any gross forms?
Prabhupada: Why subtle body? That is material body.
Harikesa: So we would not be able to see any traces of a civilization?
Prabhupada: There is civilization. You have not gone there, rascal. You are simply imagining. (Devotees laugh) There is civilization. First thing is, you rascal, you did not go. You are talking only nonsense. That’s it.
[But what about an answer to this valid question?]

Paramahamsa: [break] …Rahu planet, that’s a hellish planet?
Prabhupada: Yes. They might have gone to that hellish planet. That’s all.
Bali-mardana: No wonder they left.
Paramahamsa: That seems more befitting them.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes!
Bali-mardana: They were not qualified to go to the Moon, so Krishna sent them there.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are not qualified. Even in this planet, unless one is bona fide, he is not allowed to enter America. How you can go to the Moon planet? That is demigods’ planet.
Harikesa: Some of the astronauts became very religious after they supposedly went.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are intelligent, that “This is all nonsense. Real thing is God.” That is… They come to their senses. They are intelligent. [break] (In car:) …real business is to enhance your Krishna consciousness. These people, they are wasting time simply to know something else. There is no limit. Klisyanti ye kevala-bodha-labdhaye. What is Moon planet? What business you have got to know the…? Whatever is stated in the sastra, accept it, that’s all. What is the use of experiment and going there and then again say, “Oh, it is all failure.” Simply waste of time. The arrangement is there by God. That’s all. Spending so much money, hard-earned money, unnecessarily and then say, “Oh, it is failure.”
Paramahamsa: If they were a little bit intelligent and had some knowledge of the Vedas, they would learn that they could go there…
Prabhupada: The knowledge is already there. Just like I am speaking. I am not a scientist. On the knowledge of Vedas, that’s all.
Paramahamsa: Yes. Just like you have said in the Easy Journey to Other Planets, you can go there by the mystic yoga process. You don’t have to make some space machine.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ambarisa: The scientists want to go there without performing any kind of austerities.
Prabhupada: But there is austerities.
Paramahamsa: Yeah, actually they end up performing greater austerity.
Prabhupada: You have to earn money with so much labor and spend it for nothing.
Paramahamsa: Billions of dollars. Some of them are working like madmen.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: They work all day and most of the night. [break]
Prabhupada: …expedition is exposition of the scientists: useless. But these materialistic persons will be cheated again and again. Punah punar carvita-carvananam [SB 7.5.30]. The scientists will propose something else and they will accept. They will never say that “You are failure in your Moon expedition. Why you are proposing again something nonsense?” They will never ask. They will pay me, “Yes.”
Ambarisa: The government doesn’t want the people in general to know that the scientists are failures because they feel that the people will be put into a lot of anxiety because of this. So they…
Prabhupada: No, they are already in anxiety. This material world means anxiety. So many problems there are. Sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat. Because they accepted this material world as all in all, samudvigna, they are full of anxiety. Just like if you are on a boat and if you know that after some hours the boat will be drowned, then can you remain without anxiety?
Paramahamsa: They have some relief, though, because they think that the scientists will be able to protect them.
Prabhupada: This is their position. This is their position. Just like we are in this car, but we know it, that any moment there can be accident. So how we can be without anxiety? In the material world, on account of this material condition, we are not going to stay here. There must be anxiety. But if we close our eyes, that is different thing. Otherwise it is full of anxiety. [break] “… be free from anxiety, then surrender to Me. What I say, do it.” That he will not do. They will manufacture their own way of life. They must be in anxiety. They will never hear what Krishna says. And our propaganda is that “Just you become Krishna conscious, and you will be happy.” This is our… That they will not do.
Ambarisa: …’60, 1960. When did they start to go to the Moon?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ambarisa: I think President Kennedy started the program in 1960.
Prabhupada: Sending dog first of all?
Ambarisa: Yeah, mice and then monkeys and…
Prabhupada: [break] …desert. But here we find, within the desert, petrol. Why not get petrol there and solve your power problem. Can I not raise this question?
Ambarisa: How would they get it back from the Moon?
Prabhupada: There will be petrol. You take it.
Ambarisa: How would they get it back here?
Prabhupada: As they are coming. They are going and coming. So let them go, and if the surface is desert, then find out oil within.
Paramahamsa: But their answer would be: “Well, even if we found oil, it would be impossible to bring it to the earth.”
Indian man: They can make up tanks.
Prabhupada: No, you can make devices, fill it up, and throw it. (laughter) [break] …mad, you should give them mad suggestion. (laughter) (end)

SB 6.1.6, Honolulu, June 8, 1975
They are… They were — not are — trying to go to the Moon planet, but that has become a failure. From sastra we understand that the Moon planet is situated 1,600,000 miles away from the sun, and the sun is situated in the middle of the universe. And the total diameter from one circumference to the other of the universe it is four billions of miles. So the sun is situated at the point of two billions of miles from the circumference of the universe, and above the sun planet, 1,600,000, there is the Moon. And above that there is Venus, there is Jupiter, there is Mars — all difference of 1,600,000 of miles. So it is not possible to go to the Moon planet. Because first of all the sun is a little… According to the modern scientists calculation it is 93,000,0000. Taking it, accepted as 93,000,000’s from this earthly planet, then again add 1,600,000, that means 94,600,000 miles away from the earth there is the Moon planet. It is not possible. Therefore they are now silent. They cannot go there; neither ever they went there. This is the conclusion. So that is a controversial point, controversial, but we have to see the result. According to Vedic culture, one has to judge by the result. Not by if you simply talk nonsense, one has to accept. What is the result? Suppose if one says that “I have done very good business. I have earned so much money I have got in bank balance…” You can say all these thing. But one sees that a prosperous businessman has got a nice house, nice motorcar, his standard of living is very nice. But if he is loitering in the street, has no good dress, and if he advertises himself that “I am a very big businessman. I have got so much money,” who will believe him? Similarly, this Moon planet expedition is, up to this date, it is a failure. So how can I believe that they have gone there?

Morning Walk, June 16, 1975, Honolulu
Oh. [break] …problem is, at the present moment, they have exhausted all their intellect. Now they are finding out how to bluff the people and maintain themselves. That is their problem. Yes.
Bali-mardana: Yes. The people have lost faith in the science because they have not produced anything.
Prabhupada: That is the problem. Because they have cheated people for so many years and drawn high salaries, now they are finding out: “How to cheat these rascals and continue our business?” This is the problem. Because they have nothing to research. Everything, whatever, are finished. And all failure. Simply big, big words, that’s all. Word jugglery, that’s all. They could not do anything. What exactly they have done, something which is not done by God? They competition with God, so what they have done? What is their contribution?
Bali-mardana: Only negative; nothing positive. [break] …easier to kill people.
Prabhupada: That’s it. That much they have done, yes. [break] …diverting the attention of the people from going to the Moon planet, they are meeting in the sky. So what will benefit we shall derive by their meeting in the sky?
Siddha-svarupa: They have scientists now that are proposing and they have grants on how to develop a city in outer space or on the Moon. They already have it how they’re going to send people, how they’re going to get their…
Prabhupada: This is another bluff. You see? And these rascals are believing them.
Siddha-svarupa: Especially they’re making, trying to make people feel that their problems will be solved, that when it gets too bad they’ll just be able to go to the Moon. So there’s no real problem even if you ruin the earth because you can always escape.
Prabhupada: No, no, that mean… What about their Moon planet going? That is stopped?
Siddha-svarupa: I don’t think they’re sending any more rockets to the Moon.
Ambarisa: Yes, they’re finished now. There’s too much litter up there.
Prabhupada: So, useless.

Morning Walk, June 23, 1975, Los Angeles
And how you can go to the Moon planet? Independently, without going through the process. [break] …nineteen hundred fifty-eight, I said, “This is all childish.” So I am not a scientist. How did I say? On what standing? Indian guest: There is a difference in nomenclature. Just to resolve the conflict in my mind and (Hindi conversation).
Brahmananda: You said it was a waste of time, and now they have stopped. They are doing it.
Prabhupada: Yes. So how I predicted? I am not a scientist. How did I say it?
Bahulasva: On the strength of Bhagavad-gita.
Prabhupada: That’s it. Vedic science.
Dharmadhyaksa: First the scientists told the political leaders that “You let us go to the Moon, and we will give you all sorts of benefits.” Now they have not produced any benefits, so the political leaders won’t give them any more money.
Prabhupada: That is good. They have come to their senses. All the so-called scientists, they should be dismissed, kicked out.
Devotees: (laughter) Jaya!

SB 6.1.23, Chicago, July 7, 1975
If you try to go to the sun planet, Moon planet, or any other planet, millions and trillions of planet, you can go. Higher planetary system, lower planetary system, that you can go. That is… The description is there in the sastras. They are going to the Moon. Of course, I have several times… They have never gone, but anyway… You can go to the Moon planet. How you can go, the description is there. So Moon planet is not vacant. That is counted amongst the heavenly planets. If anyone can go there, he can live there for ten thousands of years. Ten thousand of years means according to the demigods’ years.

Morning Walk, July 21, 1975, San Francisco
Oh. [break] Krishna dasa, some scientists say that there is no life in the other planets, and some scientists said there may be. So who is correct?
Paramahamsa: Well, didn’t the Yamadutas… You stated in your lecture yesterday that the Yamadutas said that what is truth is what is in the Vedas. So I assume from the Vedic knowledge that there is life on other planets. Logically speaking also.
Prabhupada: Yes. How can you say there is no life?
Paramahamsa: But the scientists are saying, though, that the nearest star to our… You know, they consider the sun a star. And that the nearest star to ours is four light years away. Which means that it’s… They do not believe that there’s life in this entire solar system, in the planets nearest us, the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Jupiter. They assume it’s either too cold…
Prabhupada: No, we say in the sun there is life. Otherwise how Krishna says, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham avyayam [BG 4.1]. “I spoke this Bhagavad-gita science to the sun-god.” So? Sun-god is dead stone, and Krishna spoke to him?
Bahulasva: They’re very convinced, though, that they went to the Moon, the scientists.
Devotee (3): I was going to ask you, Prabhupada, is that the Moon planet that we see, is that the same Moon planet that’s mentioned in the sastras? The same planet?
Prabhupada: Yes, same one. But the Moon planet where they went, that is a dark planet. That is not Moon planet.
Krishna-dasa: My father is a graduate of Berkeley and he majored in astronomy and chemistry. And he’s an atheist. And his logic is is that — it’s very empirical — is that if there’s other life, they have to have bodies similar to ours.
Prabhupada: Why?
Paramahamsa: So it’s impossible to have a life on the sun because we could not live there. That’s the empirical way of…
Prabhupada: You cannot live there; therefore there is no life.
Paramahamsa: That’s what they assume.
Prabhupada: But you cannot live in the water. Why there is life?
Paramahamsa: Well, yes. That is fish.
Prabhupada: What is this nonsense, “empirical”? There are millions of living entities within the water, but you cannot live even for an half an hour.
Paramahamsa: But to scientific knowledge there’s no life in fire.
Prabhupada: Why not? Fire is also one of the elements like water and earth. So if there is life in the water, life on the earth, why not in the fire? What is this logic?
Bahulasva: Actually, everything is burning. Even this body is also on fire.
Prabhupada: No, the material ingredients, five elements… Out of the five elements, fire is one of them. So if in the four elements there are life, why not in the fifth? How do you say? That is their ignorance.
Devotee (3): You say even in the sastra, Prabhupada, that there’s so many living entities in this body. It’s evident.
Prabhupada: Yes, that’s a fact. As soon as the body is dead, so many living entities will come out. Why? How it is possible? How these living entities are coming? What is the reason? You say the body is dead, so why from the dead body other living entities coming?
Paramahamsa: It becomes food for other living… It becomes food.
Prabhupada: Food or whatever it may be, but the body, the ingredients of the body are complete to get life. You cannot say some chemical is missing. If it is missing, then how so many living entities are coming? There is nothing missing; everything is there. You cannot say, “missing.” What is that “missing”? You do not know. That is soul.
Paramahamsa: When I first joined the movement, Srila Prabhupada, I used to listen to your lectures and then go talk with my father. And he would argue with me, and I would find a question and come back and ask you and find the answer and go back and argue with him. But the thing I always came up against is that if he assumes that there’s life on other planets or that there is a supreme source, a supreme energy or God, then it destroys his entire life’s work, his study.
Prabhupada: Then they are fools. They should stop all this education. This university should be broken. (laughter) Because they are producing only fools. That’s all. They should stop this education.
Bahulasva: Donate all these buildings to you.
Prabhupada: (laughs) Yes. The buildings will remain there, but they will be finished. What is this education? They do not know what is God, what is soul, and what is the meaning of education? Simply bodily concept of life like cats and dogs, so what is the use of education? They remain cats and dogs. That is no value.
Bahulasva: They cannot live happily either or peaceful.
Prabhupada: Because they are, basically they are mistaken, how they can be happy? Basically they are mistaken. How you can be happy? They do not know what is happiness.
Paramahamsa: As a matter of fact, that’s the same thing my father said. He says that “Because you believe in God, he says you don’t have to fear death.” He says, “But I have nothing to look forward to.”
Prabhupada: So that is also the position of a stone. So you better remain a stone, but I am life. The stone does not believe in anything and still it is happy. So you remain a stone. I am not stone; I am life.
Jayadvaita: There’s a verse in Caitanya-caritamrta that without Lord Caitanya, there is no life. Acaitanya.
Prabhupada: Hm, yes. Acaitanya, yes.
Bahulasva: So this dark planet, then, is closer?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Bahulasva: This dark Rahu planet, this is closer?
Prabhupada: Rahu, yes. Rahu is between earth and sun. Moon is above sun.
Devotee (3): So it is bigger than the sun?
Prabhupada: Not necessarily. The size is there in the Bhagavata.
Paramahamsa: In Stockholm, Prabhupada, in the museum, they have a whole room, and in the room there is all these… There’s American flag and Swedish flag, and there’s a whole exhibit with one teeny little rock about as big as my finger nail that the Americans gave the Swedes. It’s supposed to be a rock from the Moon. And they said in it that it’s exactly as any kind of rock that you’ll find on earth. (laughter)
Prabhupada: They say? It is simply cheating. They found this in Arizona, somebody… (laughter) And laboratory work.
Bahulasva: I have been trying to arrange a meeting between Your Divine Grace and that astronaut. He was going to come to Rathayatra, but he had to go to Florida for some space project.
Prabhupada: What does he say, astronaut?
Bahulasva: He says that… His name is Edgar Mitchell, and he was one of the men who went to the Moon. But we talked, and he said… He thinks he has gone to the Moon. But he said that when he was there, he had a religious experience, and he felt that there was a God. When he went to the Moon, he had this experience. So when he came back, he was telling all his scientist friends what his experience was. So they became very afraid, and they kicked him out of the space project. They thought he had become a fanatic, religious sentimentalist, so they kicked him out. So now he has opened up an institute for noetic sciences or… It is some Greek word. It means like spiritual sciences. He wants to prove to the scientific world that there is God.
Prabhupada: That’s nice. He is good.
Bahulasva: So we gave him a copy of Easy Journey to Other Planets and Srimad-Bhagavatam, and he’s been reading that. He is friends with that other scientist, Wernher Von Braun, who gave that speech also saying that he feels that there is definitely God by his scientific studies. We also wrote him a letter, but we haven’t gotten any response. Svarupa Damodara prabhu wrote him also.
Prabhupada: What he is?
Bahulasva: He is a very big scientist for Fairchild. He started the space project.
Harikesa: He invented those rockets in Germany.
Paramahamsa: Yeah, he was actually captured. He used to work for Hitler. He invented the V-2 rockets that bombed London, or was one of them.
Bahulasva: He gave a very nice talk in San Francisco.
Prabhupada: Oh. About?
Bahulasva: He said that from his scientific studies he is feeling frustrated. So he made a public statement that he is going to give them up for studying God. He says that he feels that everything indicates in the universe that there must be a supreme intelligence behind the workings of the universe.
Prabhupada: Very intelligent man. He is intelligent. As soon as one denies the existence of God, immediately he comes within the category of four classes of men: sinful, rascal, lowest of the mankind and knowledge taken away by maya.

Morning Walk, Los Angeles, July 24, 1975
No, no, in the sand. You’ll find so many lives, many millions. How there is life in the water? There is life in the water, there is life on the land, there is life in the air, so where is there no life? How you can say there is no life? That is foolishness. And they say that the dust brought from the Moon planet is the same. It can be found here. So why there should not be life?
Paramahamsa: If there is life on other planets then they assume it’s in a plant form or very, very low, like plants, bushes at the most.
Prabhupada: That is their opinion.
Tamala Krishna: Srila Prabhupada? If these scientists, they landed on the Rahu planet, that means that…
Prabhupada: That could be, but some… Just like somebody was saying that there are many planets unknown. They might have gone to some… Just like there are many parts of the world you have never seen. Even on this planet, you cannot say that you have seen all the parts of the world. That is not possible. [break]
[Again, for some unexplained reason humans apparently are qualified to go to Rahu and other planets. Just not the Moon…]

Morning Walk, Durban, October 13, 1975
The whole scientific craze seems to be settling down anyway. It seems to be dying down.
Prabhupada: It must die. The scientists, they admit now, “What we shall do? We have bluffed in so many ways. Now what is the next bluffing?” Their bluff, last bluffing, was going to the Moon planet, and everything is failed. Then what is next bluffing? That is their problem, how to keep their big, big post?
Harikesa: There’s nothing left to do.
Prabhupada: Yes. They have finished all their theories. Still, they could not do anything. This is their position.

BG 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975
They are claiming they have gone to Moon planet, this, that. But according to sastra, they are all cheaters. All cheaters. They cannot go. It is not so easy thing. Just like to enter your African city, African country, there are so many rules and regulations, immigration. And you want to go to the Candraloka without any restriction. Just see. Candraloka is the planet of the demigods. There the people live for ten thousands of years, they are so advanced. Their comforts are many thousands better than this standard of comfort. And you want to go there without any passport and without any visa. From common sense, can you enter anyone’s country simply because you have got aeroplane? But these things are going on.

Morning Walk, November 7, 1975, Bombay
Yes. And planet is 1,006,000 miles above, above. And Saturday, Saturn is the last. So now sun is calculated to be 93,000,000’s miles from earth, and if the Moon is still further 1,600,000, then it becomes about fifteen hundred thousand miles. No. Fifteen million miles. So how they are going, in four days, fifteen million?

Morning Walk, November 14, 1975, Bombay
Devotee (3):
Srila Prabhupada, how do we support our challenge that they have not gone to the Moon?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Devotee (3): How do we support our challenge to the scientists that they have not actually gone to the Moon?
Prabhupada: First proof is that they say that there is no life. That is foolishness. There is life. Because we find everywhere life, why not in the Moon planet? And there are many others. The first challenge is this.
Devotee (3): They say that they have not seen the life, though.
Prabhupada: But what you can see, rascal? Therefore we say you are rascals. Why do you believe your eyes? You cannot see so many things. We don’t find any living entity in the ocean. Does it mean there is no living entity? So what is the value of your seeing? That is the defect. They believe in too much their eyes. Although eyes are… Every sense is imperfect. You can see here: “Oh, we don’t find anything. It is all zero.” Does it mean the sky is zero? There are millions of planets and millions of living entities. So that is their rascaldom. They think that they are perfect. Whatever they see, that is perfect. That is their mistake. If I say, “No, there is no life. I cannot see,” is that very good statement? And in the…, externally you don’t find any living entity, but is it void of living entities? Then why shall I assert that “There is no living… I cannot see”? Is that very good proposal? Therefore they are rascals. There cannot be any place within this universe which is without life. There cannot be. We see there is life even within sand. How you can say there is no life? “Because I cannot see.” What is this argument? What you are? You are a rascal. Because you cannot see, therefore we have to accept? First of all we say you are rascal. And if he says that “I cannot see,” is it to be accepted? And the example is there. “I cannot see any life. It is simply water.” But there are millions and trillions of life, big, big fish. Where is your perfection of seeing?
Devotee (3): Prabhupada? Why are the big authorities, like the government people…?
Prabhupada: Nobody is authority. That is our first assertion. Nobody is authority. Therefore we have placed Krishna consciousness. Krishna is only authority. All rascals. That is our first assertion-(aside:) Good morning — that except Krishna there is no authority. And one who follows Krishna, he is authority.
Devotee (3): Why are the so-called scientists trying to make the common people believe that…
Prabhupada: Because they are so-called scientists. You have already explained. Why you are asking? (laughter) You have already explained, “so-called scientists.” That’s all. They are not scientists; they are so-called scientists.
Devotee (3): Why do they want to fool the people?
Prabhupada: Because you are fool. Because you are fool, therefore you become befooled. We do not become befooled by their words. You are fool; you will be befooled. If you want to remain fool, then you will be befooled. And if you become intelligent, then you will not be befooled. They can befool when there are many fools. If there is no fool they cannot befool. So you follow this?
Devotee (3): Yes.
Prabhupada: Jaya.
Devotee (3): The scientists, they are also fools.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Devotee (3): The scientists are also fools.

Letter to: Dr. W.H. Wolf-Rottkay, Bombay 21 November, 1975
So it appears that the sun planet comes first and then the Moon planet. That is the statement in Srimad-Bhagavatam. How do modern scientists say that the Moon is nearest from the earth? What is their authority? But according to what is stated by you, the sun is first and then the Moon. That is the verdict of Srimad-Bhagavatam. If the Moon is beyond the sun, then how they can go to the Moon while they are unable to go to the sun? This is the problem I am thinking and if you can make a solution, that would be nice. According to Srimad-Bhagavatam the Moon is above the sun planet by 1,600,000 miles. The scientists say that the sun is 93,000,000 miles from the earth and if the Moon is beyond the sun planet, the distance from the earth then would be 95,000,000 miles. So the Moon being 95,000,000 miles away, how can they go even if they travel at the speed of 18,000 mph, how can they go 95,000,000 miles in four days. It is not possible. In four days they can go only 1,728,000 miles. If they say the Moon is 240,000 miles from the earth, then why is the Moon not mentioned first? Why not Monday being the first day of the week? According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, the sun is first, the Moon is second and therefore we have no objection to the first of the week being Sunday and then Monday. Why is it universally accepted in all languages that Sunday is first and then Monday? Why is it not Monday and then Sunday?

Letter to: Trivikrama , Nellore 3 January, 1976
Regarding the “dust” supposedly brought from the Moon, that dust can be gotten anywhere. It has already been openly admitted that the same dust is available on this earth planet. These astronauts and scientists are all bluffing. But Srila Vyasadeva is the correct authority. Just study Srimad-Bhagavatam carefully with full faith in Krishna and Guru and all knowledge will be revealed.

SB 5.5.1, Delhi, November 28, 1975
You also hear from others. You believe that they have gone to Moon planet. You have not gone. You have heard from somebody in the newspaper, that’s all. That is your authority.

Morning Walk, March 21, 1976, Mayapura
…Moon is hot, they say, because the shade of the earth is obstructing.
Panca-dravida: Yes.
Prabhupada: Is it not?
Devotees: Yes.
Trivikrama: They say that the sun is hitting like that.
Prabhupada: Eh? The sun is there, and the earth is there. How it becomes…?
Pusta Krishna: The earth is bet…. The earth is between the sun and the Moon. Therefore there’s some…
Prabhupada: That’s all right, in between.
Hamsaduta: No, no. They say that the sun’s rays are striking it, only half. The other half is in shadow.
Prabhupada: What is that shadow?
Devotee (1): Night. Like nighttime on the earth.
Hamsaduta: Shadow. Like a ball. If I have a ball and shine a light on it, then…
Prabhupada: No. No, no. Shadow.
Hamsaduta: …this side will be in shadow.
Prabhupada: Shadow…. “Shadow” means earthly shadow? No.
Hamsaduta: No no, no. Its own shadow. If this is a ball, and the light is coming from here, see, this portion will be in darkness or shadow. And the other portion will reflect light.
Pusta Krishna: That’s not the modern theory.
Devotees: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: Is that all right? Explanation?
Devotee (1): Sounds all right.
Hamsaduta: That’s what they say.
Prabhupada: “They say.” What you say?
Hamsaduta: We don’t know anything. After meeting you, we wonder if we know anything, because we thought the Moon was going around the earth.
Pusta Krishna: What shadow is that? The Moon casts its own shadow.
Hamsaduta: That’s what they say.
Prabhupada: They, their explanation is…
Pusta Krishna: Half the Moon is in darkness.
Trivikrama: Yeah, the back side.
Prabhupada: The back side.
Trivikrama: The back side of the Moon. That’s what we’re seeing now. The sun’s here, hitting…
Prabhupada: I can understand now. That means Moon. Moon is…. A portion is bright.
Devotees: Yes.
Pusta Krishna: Half of it is always bright.
Devotee: Yes. The part that’s facing the sun.
Prthu-putra: But this is less than half.
Prabhupada: And when they go to the Moon planet, they go to the dark side. Is it not?
Hamsaduta: No.
Panca-dravida: No, they say they go to the light side, too.
Hamsaduta: No, they say the dark side is so cold that no one can…. Because there’s no sunlight, it is so cold.
Prabhupada: That means they have no experience of all the sides of the Moon.
Hamsaduta: No, they don’t. They only have one side, experiencing.
Prabhupada: So, so what is the cause of the brightness?
Panca-dravida: The sun.
Prabhupada: They have brought some dust, but this is not bright.
Trivikrama: They say it’s reflected light.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. What is the material that makes it so bright so that whole universe is illuminated?
Hamsaduta: There’s no comment on that point.
Prthu-putra: They don’t know that.
Prabhupada: They have brought some dust, but that is not bright. They have said…. The other scientists, they said, “This kind of dust can be available here.” Just see. Now, how it is bright?
Panca-dravida: Well, they say that from space the earth would be bright also, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: The nonsense may say anything. But our common sense that if the, there is some ingredient in this Moon which makes it bright, so they have brought the dust, but other scientists say that this dust can be available here.
Panca-dravida: So it may be cheating.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Panca-dravida: Actually, they have not proved anything.
Prabhupada: That is my contention.
Trivikrama: They say the Moon is bright, just like if a cloud is in the sky, it appears very white and bright because the sun is hitting it. But the same cloud, if you bring it into the room, it’s just mist.
Prabhupada: But cloud is not always existing. But this brightness is always existing. Cloud is sometimes appearing, sometimes disappearing. The Moon brightness is regular. How you can compare with cloud? When you compare, there must be consistency. Analogy. Analogy means similar position. Otherwise, analogy has no meaning.

Morning Walk, May 26, 1976, Honolulu
[break] …there’s no such thing. “I believe.” Immediately…. What Krishna says, that’s true. That is our movement. Krishna consciousness. What I believe? I’m a nonsense. I am…. I have got four defects in my life: illusion, mistake, cheating, insufficiency. What is the meaning of my belief? A cheater saying, “I believe,” I have to accept if I know that he’s a cheat? [break] …the public, by misleading them they have gone to Moon.
Devotee: (tape static-inaudible)
Prabhupada: (inaudible) …some tickets for going to Moon. What they are doing with the tickets? You know that Pan American sold tickets for going to Moon? You do not know? (laughs) They sold tickets, because in your country, you have got lot of money, any kind of cheating can draw money. (laughs) Devotee (6): They’re selling tickets to go to the Moon?
Prabhupada: Not now. They sold in the beginning. They’re so hopeful now that “We shall go to the Moon.” Some family (inaudible) “Oh, scientific advancement. Yes, they go to the Moon. So I have got money. Why not purchase a ticket so I can go to the Moon?” There are many persons in your country who can very easily pay $50,000 for purchasing tickets for going to the Moon planet.
Hari-sauri: It’s like Ravana’s promise of being able to go to the heavenly planets by climbing up the staircase.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] …believed in the words of sastra. Even I am not scientist, still I shall…. It is all childish. And it has proved childish. I do not say that I am better than the scientists. No. But on the words of sastra, I say this is childish. They’ll never be able to go to the Moon. [break] The Americans who are here, mostly they are tourists. They’re not residents.

Morning Walk, June 4, 1976, Los Angeles
They say that the atom, the little particle, is eternal, original.
Prabhupada: But you rascal, you are not coming from atom; you are coming from your father. That is my reply. You rascal, you are coming from your father, not from the atom.
Tamala Krishna: How do you say everything comes from the atom?
Ramesvara: Originally, they say…
Prabhupada: Originally, go to hell. (laughs) First of all, take your case. “Originally.” You do not know your case and you are going to originally. Hele data nakhe yuce.(?) You know this philosophy? Hele, there was some water snake, they have no poison. One snake charmer, he cannot catch even that. And he’s trying to catch cobra. So first of all answer your case, then go to “originally.”
Ramesvara: That’s what you said yesterday in discussing that philosopher Skinner. He said first we control nature, then we can control ourselves. And you replied, if you can’t control yourself, how you can control such a big thing like nature?
Prabhupada: That is the defect. They are tiny, insignificant creature and talking big, big things. This is the defect of modern civilization.
Tamala Krishna: Like a child trying to catch the Moon.
Prabhupada: He has no importance, and he’s talking big, big things. The same philosophy. Hele data bai nakhe yuce.(?) He cannot catch even nonpoisonous snake, and he’s saying, “I’ll catch up a cobra.”
Tamala Krishna: Like a small child trying to catch the Moon.
Prabhupada: Yes. (japa) All these rascals should be approached that, first, “Whether you have come from your…. Is your father monkey? You say that from monkey man has come. You have come from monkey or from your father?” Ask him this question. Naturally he will be ashamed to say “Yes, I have come from some monkey.” (laughs) Unless he is a great fool, he will not say it. Then your father comes from his father, from his father…. Where the monkey comes? Is there in the history of your family that your forefather…
Tamala Krishna: No, we are studying the bones. That’s what they say.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Tamala Krishna: We are digging up bones.
Prabhupada: That also they cannot say, because we Hindus, we burn the bones. Where you get the bones?
Tamala Krishna: No, but there’s some groups that did not do that.
Prabhupada: No, some group, not. As a general practice, all Hindus they burn, from time immemorial.
Tamala Krishna: But I mean, there are other people in other parts of the world, like in Africa, they found bones from five million years ago, and they say that it’s the missing link bones.
Prabhupada: Missing, why missing?
Tamala Krishna: Well they couldn’t figure it out until they found these bones.
Prabhupada: That means they couldn’t. Still, he says. Just see, he has brought as if he was dog, the rascal. The dog is prohibited. Man is…. [break] (walk continues on beach) …They have got?
Ramesvara: Other theories
Radhavallabha: Theories?
Ramesvara: The scientists.
Prabhupada: Scientists or philosophers, their only business is to defy God. All demons.
Bali-mardana: Actually, Prabhupada, the people are turning away from the scientists now, because they have seen that their promises have not brought anything.
Prabhupada: And simply, if we can expose that they never went to the Moon planet, their life will be finished.
Devotees: Jaya, haribol!
Tamala Krishna: How can we expose that, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: To expose…. They could not answer this simple question, why Sunday first and Monday second? They could not understand, these rascals, I have asked so many. Can you answer this? Can you answer, can any of you, why Sunday first? All over the world, they accept Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday last. Why? Answer this. Is there anyone?
Hrdayananda: What is the answer, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: The answer is sun planet first, then Moon planet.
Devotees: Oh, jaya!
Prabhupada: And the sun planet is ninety-three million miles, and according to Bhagavata, the Moon is 1,600,000 miles away from sun. So I have calculated the other day that it takes ninety days, no?
Hari-sauri: No, six or seven months.
Prabhupada: Six or seven months it takes to go to the Moon planet. How they have gone in four days? They have never gone.
Devotees: Oh, jaya!
Tamala Krishna: How did you get that calculation, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Tamala Krishna: How did you make that calculation?
Prabhupada: Calculation, they have calculation that sun planet is ninety-three million miles from, that is, they have accepted. I also accept it. I say the Moon planet is 1,600,000 miles still further. So you cannot go to the sun planet, how can go to the Moon planet?
Devotees: Jaya.
Candanacarya: Today is the day of scandals. These days, there are so many scandals in the United States.
Prabhupada: Ask them. If they say Moon planet is first, why not Monday first? Why Sunday first? That’s a fact. Sun planet first, then Moon, then Mars. Ravi, Soma, Mangala, Bhu. That is the calculation.
Tamala Krishna: That means that all the countries are cooperating together to cheat the people, because they’re all…
Prabhupada: No, no. They have taken from the Vedic literature.
Bali-mardana: No, they are right, Sunday, Monday.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: No, I mean to say that everyone is saying that they have gone to the Moon, that means they are all together cheating.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Radhavallabha: The scientists have got radio telescopes. They bounce the sound vibration off the planet, and depending on how long it takes the sound to come back, that’s how far away it is.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Radhavallabha: They bounce sound vibration off a planet, and depending on how long it takes the vibration to come back, that’s how far away the planet is. So they’ve calculated the sun to be further in that way.
Prabhupada: First of all, answer why Sunday first. Then talk of all nonsense.
Candanacarya: Mars is after the Moon?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Candanacarya: Mars is after the Moon?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Candanacarya: Because in French, Tuesday is the word for Mars.
Prabhupada: And Saturday is last. Saturn is last.
Yadubara: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Each planet is 1,600,000 miles away from one another.
Tamala Krishna: 1,600,000.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Yadubara: They say they went 250,000 miles twice.
Prabhupada: They say, let them say, first of all answer “Why Sunday first?”
Tamala Krishna: What about these pictures we have seen on the television showing them jumping on the Moon?
Prabhupada: That you can make in laboratory. That is not very difficult.
Tamala Krishna: Colossal hoax.
Mahendra: …pictures are like the King Kong movie.
Prabhupada: Yes. In King Kong movie they made cotton as cloud. (laughs). They can do everything in the laboratory.
Yadubara: They are making that movie again, Srila Prabhupada. Spending millions to make it again.
Prabhupada: Which movie?
Yadubara: King Kong.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Ramesvara: They have got some gigantic King Kong figure. It moves like a gigantic doll. Actually, to make a movie now they spend maybe ten, fifteen million dollars for one movie. [break]
Prabhupada: They cannot cleanse nowadays?
Hari-sauri: They made a movie called “2001,” and in that they had shots of men on different planets. It looked just like the Moon shots. It was very…, just the same.
Tamala Krishna: Prabhupada, it is very difficult to convince the people that they have not gone to the Moon. I mean, that’s a good logic, but they’ll think that’s very childish for us to say “Sunday first, Monday.”
Prabhupada: Well, let them remain as child.
Candanacarya: Srila Prabhupada once said that if the Moon is dirt and dust, how is it that it reflects the light of the sun so much that it lights up the whole planet?
Prabhupada: Yes. The common sense. They have lost their common sense.
Candanacarya: It’s so shiny that it lights up the whole earth planet at night.
Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.
Candanacarya: How can dirt reflect light like that?
Prabhupada: That was my first question.
Tamala Krishna: I think that we should write a, we should publish a little book on this, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: If you can.
Tamala Krishna: Maybe one of the scientists.
Candanacarya: There are many scientists who agree.
Prabhupada: Now our scientists are challenging, Svarupa Damodara and others.
Tamala Krishna: Yes. They could scientifically publish a book.
Candanacarya: There are scientists in England who agree that they didn’t go to the planet.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Candanacarya: There are some scientists in England who agree with you that they did not go to the Moon.
Prabhupada: Yes, they did not. Simply propaganda. (japa) [break] Freedom.
Hari-sauri: It’s just like you said in the BTG.
Prabhupada: Equal rights. The rascal father has left, and poor mother is carrying the burden.
Ramesvara: She chanted Hare Krishna just by seeing us.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. There is no other way. We are the only shelter for these forlorn women.
Tamala Krishna: We have to give them shelter.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, certainly.
Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, scientists have this theory called use and disuse. They would say that these birds here that have the long beaks for eating fish, originally, they did not have that, but after many, many millions of years of trying to catch fish, gradually their beaks became longer. And they would say that would be the origin of that species.
Prabhupada: Huh? What is that?
Hrdayananda: He’s saying that because the fish are trying to catch fish, therefore…
Ramesvara: The birds are trying to catch the fish.
Hrdayananda: Therefore a beak comes out. (laughter)
Bali-mardana: No, no. That’s not the theory. The theory is that the ones with the long beaks are able to catch the fish. Therefore, the other ones die off.
Hrdayananda: Therefore they get the long beaks?
Bali-mardana: Just from mutation.
Radhavallabha: That’s not. It’s another theory.
Hrdayananda: Madness.
Candanacarya: It’s another theory.
Prabhupada: Hmm? So that’s all right. If we are eager for Krishna, we shall get Krishna.
Devotees: Jaya.
Tamala Krishna: So we agree with that theory.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hrdayananda: It has been given by Krishna because he always wanted to catch fish.
Hari-sauri: They used to give us a simple example at school. They said that the people that lived in Mexico City…
Prabhupada: No, no, we accept that. Yam yam vapi smaran bhavam tyajaty ante [BG 8.6]. If, at the time of death, he thinks that “If I would have possessed a beak,” then he gets the life. That’s all. (laughter) That’s a fact.
Radhavallabha: They say that this is the way the different types of bodies come into being, that by the desire…
Prabhupada: That we say also. There is no difficulty. Because at the time of death, whatever you are thinking, you’ll get the next body. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita.
Radhavallabha: They say, though, that this is how the different bodies come into being.
Prabhupada: Yes, we say also.
Candanacarya: But can any body be generated from the imagination, any kind of…
Prabhupada: It is not this imagination. I wanted that facility. So my subtle mind is wanting that. So nature is supplying: “All right, you get it.”
Hari-sauri: We don’t create the bodies. We desire them, and the material nature has created already.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Radhavallabha: Their theory is that these bodies never before existed, but by the desire of the living entity, that certain type of body was created.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. That means nature is above. He wanted that body; nature has given. Is that correct?
Radhavallabha: No, not exactly.
Prabhupada: Then what is that?
Radhavallabha: That they want a particular facility, and…
Prabhupada: And nature supplies the body, that’s all. Simple thing.
Ramesvara: But they do not put a limit, 8,400,000. They think that it can keep going on increasing, increasing.
Prabhupada: Then let it go on. That’s all right. What is wrong?
Candanacarya: By their theory, though, a human being would be able to generate wings or a beak like a bird.
Prabhupada: Yes, there are human beings who can fly in the sky. Siddhaloka, Siddhaloka. There is a planet called Siddhaloka. There the human beings from one planet to another go.
Hari-sauri: They have wings?
Prabhupada: No wings.
Ramesvara: The Gandharvas have wings.
Candanacarya: Why do you need wings if you can fly? Also Garuda has a beak. Where are we going now?
Hari-sauri: Prabhupada said in Hawaii there’s no…. (pause)
Prabhupada: The old man, her father?
Hari-sauri: I hope so. (pause) [break]…
Prabhupada: Send to Svarupa Damodara, he has got also.
Tamala Krishna: Monday. Sunday, Monday?
Prabhupada: Yes. Days are in this order. So naturally one has to conclude that sun first, Moon second. Naturally.
Radhavallabha: They will say, “Who has set up the order?”
Prabhupada: Anyway, you accept it. All over the world, nobody says that Monday first. Then?
Candanacarya: Is this also in Sanskrit language? Sunday, Monday.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes, yes. Ask all scientists this simple question. Why, all over the world, Sunday, sun first and Moon second? Why? And Saturday last. All of you could not answer this question. (devotees laugh)
Tamala Krishna: You have stumped us.
Prabhupada: (Bengali verse) Bado bado banare, bado bado peta, lanka dingahe manamara henta(?). “Big, big monkey, big, big belly. Ceylon jumping, melancholy.”
Hrdayananda: We are all big monkeys.
Candanacarya: How are they able to perpetuate such an enormous hoax?
Prabhupada: Enormous hoax for the fools, not for the intelligent persons.
Hari-sauri: They never fooled you, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Hari-sauri: They never fooled you. (Prabhupada laughs)
Candanacarya: That means that some people must know the actual truth about the hoax in the American system, so if we can find them…
Prabhupada: So you are knowing that. State it.
Ramesvara: In other words, is it, is it that there is deliberate trick? It is deliberate.
Prabhupada: Ahh, it may not be deliberate, but they are fools. They are talking nonsense. That’s all.
Tamala Krishna: But what about the people, like the men on the ship who say they have jumped on the Moon? Are they lying and being paid off, or are they just…. What, I mean what is the actual position? Some men are getting on a television saying, “We landed there, it was like this, it was like that.”
Prabhupada: No, I saw that television, at that time, the whole thing broke wrong. There was a press representative. He protested. I was protesting from the beginning, but they could not show how they jumped, at the last. Going, going, going, but at the time of jumping, melancholy. Ceylon jumping melancholy.
Tamala Krishna: But I mean they do, these men who are space travelers, they say “We did land on the Moon.” Now are they lying?
Prabhupada: No, they, but the television was showing. They could not show this.
Tamala Krishna: Jumping on the Moon?
Prabhupada: That was not shown.
Candanacarya: They may be hypnotized also.
Hrdayananda: Prabhupada said they’d gone to Rahu.
Ramesvara: They have got that dust. They say they got that from another planet.
Prabhupada: Dust you can take it from here, from this beach.
Ramesvara: So then they’re lying.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: That means they’re deliberately cheating, knowingly. And the government is backing them.
Prabhupada: That is your business.
Ramesvara: What is the purpose of the cheating?
Candanacarya: Prabhupada said to ask for taxes.
Prabhupada: Labha, puja, pratistha. These three things are materially wanted. Some material profit, some reputation and some…. Eh?
Devotees: Distinction.
Prabhupada: Adoration. These are the material demands.
Hari-sauri: Because, originally, it was built up as a big thing between Russia and America, who would get to the Moon first.
Prabhupada: Yes. Now they are shaking hands, and none of them has gone. “I thank you.”
Tamala Krishna: It’s like the emperor’s new clothes.
Prabhupada: “You failed, my dear sir. I failed also. Come on.”
Tamala Krishna: There’s a story, “The Emperor’s Clothes,” “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” There were these tailors, and they made believe that they were making clothes for the emperor, but actually they were doing nothing, but they were making the motions. So they, everybody was saying what nice clothes and finally…
Candanacarya: No, they said, any intelligent, only intelligent people will see the clothes.
Hrdayananda: And someone who’s a fool, he cannot see it.
Ramesvara: Magic cloth.
Candanacarya: So they were getting much money for making nothing.
Hrdayananda: The emperor went out naked in the street, and everyone was afraid to admit that there was no clothes.
Ramesvara: Because they would be labeled fool. So finally one boy said, “But the emperor has no clothes.”
Prabhupada: Yes, there is a nice story in this connection. There was one Gopal Ban. So he was very cunning fellow. In the Muhammadan period in Bengal. So the Mohammedan Nawab asked him, “Gopal Ban, can you prepare a Mahabharata in my name?” “Oh, yes!” So, “I’ll engage so many panditas, and they will make a Mahabharata, your activities, your glories, everything. So give me one hundred thousand rupees, just begin.” He was taking money, taking money, “Yes, it is going on, going on.” “Then when it will be published?” “Yes, just last few days more. Now, sir, everything is prepared. So the one thing is, you have to give me information how many husbands you have got, your wife, huh? How many husbands your wife has got?” That is very insulting. “What, you nonsense, you take.” “No, that is the main feature of Mahabharata. Draupadi had five husbands, so how many husbands your wife has got? Tell me that.” Then, “No, no, I don’t want that. I am the only husband.” “Then how can you write Mahabharata?” (laughter) “I don’t want.” “All right. If you want Mahabharata you must tell how many your wife has got husbands.” That he cannot say. So Mahabharata finished.
Tamala Krishna: And he kept the money.
Prabhupada: Yes. That already, he took that “I have to steal to pay so much money. Give me.” That’s all right. So these are, scientists are doing like that. At the end, how many husbands your wife has got.
Tamala Krishna: Scientists are doing the same thing.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Tamala Krishna: Taking money.
Radhavallabha: They have one argument, that during solar eclipse, the Moon appears to pass in front of the sun, between the sun and the earth.
Hrdayananda: Prabhupada explains that. It is the Rahu planet.
Radhavallabha: But they are viewing the Moon. The Moon is right there, they can see it. And all of a sudden it goes in front of the sun.
Prabhupada: Huh? What is that? Moon is there, sun is there. Now which first? That is the question.
Radhavallabha: They will say that they’ve observed in their telescopes…,
Prabhupada: They’ll say…, whatever they’ll say it is all right. First of all, say why Sunday first. Then talk all nonsense. First of all, answer this. You cannot say “We believe that Sunday first.” What is the fact? Why do you bring Moon, Monday? Why not bring…?
Radhavallabha: They will say it is arbitrary order.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Radhavallabha: Then they will get back to their argument.
Prabhupada: Hare Krishna. Arbitrary order is not science. That you cannot.
Candanacarya: How can it be arbitrary if every culture in the history of the planet has accepted that order? How can it be arbitrary?
Radhavallabha: That doesn’t matter it’s not arbitrary. Do you accept?
Hrdayananda: Radhavallabha is a rascal. (laughter)
Mahendra: Thirty or forty years also, Srila Prabhupada, one man made a little plaster body of a human being, and he planted it in his back yard in England. And then he dug it up and said, “Oh, look, I’ve found the oldest man in history!” And all the scientists came and said, “Oh, yes, this is the oldest man in history.” And for twenty or thirty years many men got their Ph.D.s by writing about how this plaster was the oldest man in history.
Prabhupada: Yes, such fools are leaders.
Tamala Krishna: That is the business of dogs, digging up bones. (laughter)
Radhavallabha: Srila Prabhupada, by calculating the movements of the Moon, scientists can predict years in advance when the solar eclipse will be.
Prabhupada: That is not their invention. That is already there. (pause) (walking) We shall go further? No? (japa)
Hari-sauri: One thing is, Srila Prabhupada, if they’ve wrongly calculated the distance of the Moon, then how is it that they’re able to calculate these eclipses and whatever?
Prabhupada: That I do not know. First of all, answer this. Yes. Yes. They say the Moon planet first. I say, no, sun planet. First of all…
Trivikrama:(?) But they can see the Moon comes in front of the sun.
Candanacarya: This is some other planet.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Candanacarya: That must be some other planet.
Prabhupada: Which one?
Candanacarya: This one that comes in front of the sun.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, all over the world, they accept Sunday first.
Mahendra: All of their successes are accidental. Just like they discovered the planet called Pluto. The way it was discovered was one man recognized that there was a fluctuation in the orbit of the planet Neptune, and so he made some calculations and figured that the fluctuations were caused by another planet that must be further away than Neptune that no one has discovered yet. So he made many calculations and figured out where the planet should be, how big it should be, how much it should weigh, how far away it was. So then he told other scientists about it, and they looked in their telescopes, and sure enough, there it was. But it wasn’t as big as he said, nor was it as heavy as he said, nor was it as far away as he said, and when they rechecked the data they found that the orbit of the original planet wasn’t really wrong either. So all of his calculations were wrong, but still the planet was there. So somehow or other he stumbled upon it, but all of his calculations to find it were absolutely wrong. That’s the planet called Pluto.
Prabhupada: Recently there was an propaganda. That comet?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, it would come and destroy,
Prabhupada: There was no comet.
Tamala Krishna: They said it would destroy…
Prabhupada: Destroy…
Hrdayananda: They predicted a comet that never came.
Ramesvara: Srila Prabhupada, in the Fifth Canto you wrote that the planets are being pulled in their orbits by chariots. Just like there is a description of the sun planet, and there is very elaborate…
Prabhupada: That is movement. Now, according to their calculation, sun is fixed up, but according to our calculation it is moving. That is the difference.
Ramesvara: And it is actually being pulled by a chariot and horses.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, it is moving. Either chariot or on leg. That does not…. It is moving. Moving is the point. Either on chariot or on leg, that doesn’t matter. Sun is moving. But they say sun is fixed up.
Trivikrama: They say it’s moving, but not the way we say, around the earth.
Prabhupada: No, they do not say.
Trivikrama: They say it has its own…
Prabhupada: No, no. Sun is fixed up.
Ramesvara: It is moving by manipulation of air, just like our airplane is moving by manipulating the air.
Prabhupada: First of all, solve this question, that how…?
Radhavallabha: You had us on that one.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Radhavallabha: You got us on that one.
Prabhupada: What is that?
Tamala Krishna: He said you have caught us. We cannot give a reply.
Prabhupada: Yes, big, big belly. And what is that, Bhargava, no, what is his name? Bhagavat?
Devotees: Bhagavat.
Prabhupada: He has got big belly. (laughter) And Brahmananda. Gargamuni also. Acyutananda, yes. In India?
Devotee: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Devotee: These karmis and their sputniks, they’re claiming they’re going to heavenly planets, all these planets all over the universe, but you tell us that they can’t actually go to these places.
Prabhupada: Yes, if you have got suitable machine you can go.
Bhudhara: Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhudhara: They now say that they’re going to attempt to create a planet that has perfect air, and trees, and they’re only charging…
Prabhupada: Another bogus. Another bluff. So be satisfied with their bluffs. That’s all. (break, conversation continues in car)
Ramesvara: The sun planet is seated on a chariot, and it is pulled by horses? They take it to be mythology.
Prabhupada: Why?
Ramesvara: They cannot imagine how horses can be flying in the sky.
Tamala Krishna: And pulling an entire planet.
Prabhupada: Because you cannot imagine it, there is no such thing? What is the value of your imagination?
Tamala Krishna: But you just said by your imagination you can grow a beak.
Prabhupada: If some horses can fly in the sky, what your imagination will check it?
Ramesvara: But they say that the planet is so heavy and so big it is not possible for a mortal…
Prabhupada: That’s all right. The planet is…. How it is floating in the air?
Ramesvara: They have an explanation for that.
Prabhupada: No. You do not know the explanation. There are so many other things. Just like we say there is ocean of milk, ocean of liquor, ocean of oil.
Ramesvara: No, all of that they take to be…
Tamala Krishna: Mythology.
Ramesvara: …imagination.
Prabhupada: But why? Your imagination. You have not gone throughout the whole universe. You cannot say. You are imperfect.
Tamala Krishna: But they say neither you have gone, so how can you know…
Prabhupada: No, I have got authority, you have got no authority.
Tamala Krishna: Well, simply some story books, they say.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. Whatever it may be, I can present some literature, but you have nothing. You rascal. (laughs) Whatever it may be, I have got something, but you have nothing.
Tamala Krishna: I remember studying in college about this, that we were studying Indian art, and they showed pictures of people on other planets and all these things, the demigods, and the teacher said “These are mythologies of India.”
Ramesvara: Just like the Greek mythologies.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, we have got books, and these books are authorized, they are accepted by authorities, but what you have got?
Tamala Krishna: They have their fairy tales, they call it, imaginary tales.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, we have got something. I may believe it. That’s all. You believe your imagination, we believe this. That’s all. Finished.
Tamala Krishna: Ours are better.
Prabhupada: Your imagination is also rascaldom, and if ours, it is rascaldom, that’s all right, you are rascal, I am rascal. Why do you pose yourself you are learned?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, that’s the point.
Prabhupada: Don’t pose yourself that you are learned.
Ramesvara: They say that for thousands and thousands of years man has believed in God, and as a result…
Prabhupada: That I am speaking daily, you must believe in God, the creator.
Ramesvara: They say that before the scientific revolution…
Prabhupada: There is no scientific. It is all rascal revolution. If you cannot answer these questions that you are created by your father, so why there should be no original creator? You cannot say that you have dropped from the sky.
Tamala Krishna: No, originally, everything came, man came from the monkey, monkey came from another animal, and everything came from an atom.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. Come to practical, that you are created by your father. That you have to accept. So similarly, everything we see…. This car is created by someone. Everything we see, created. So how can you say there is no creator? Within our experience we see everything is created by someone.
Ramesvara: Creative energy is there.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be, the fact is…
Ramesvara: Impersonal.
Prabhupada: Not impersonal, personal.
Tamala Krishna: But then who created the creator?
Prabhupada: Huh? That we shall see, but first of all you have to accept there is a creator.
Ramesvara: They will agree, some people will agree…
Prabhupada: That’s all right.
Ramesvara: …that there is energy for creating.
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be.
Ramesvara: But they do not give one person the credit.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. Just like this manufacturer of this car, he’s not handling this creation by his own hand. He has got money, energy. He pays the mechanical person to create, but ultimately it is Ford. Ford is not creating everything. Ford’s money, Ford’s employees, workers, they are creating, but the name is Ford. Similarly, everything is being created by God. Mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram [BG 9.10]. And He has got so many working hands. That is also…. Parasya saktir vividhaiva sruyate [CC Madhya 13.65, purport]. Multi-energies, they are doing like that…. But He is supervising, “Have you done this?” “Yes.” “That’s all. Go on.” So how can you go beyond your experience? Everything is created. A child may think, “How this car is created?” But it is, factually it is created. He cannot imagine how this nice car is created. Why child? Even elderly persons in a non-developed country, they’ll be surprised how this car is created. They cannot do it.
Tamala Krishna: No. That means they’re ignorant.
Prabhupada: That’s all. So you cannot imagine that the sky is created, this water is created, that is beyond your experience.
Tamala Krishna: Because you cannot do it, you think no one can do it.
Prabhupada: You cannot do it. But why another cannot do it? As I see, I cannot manufacture the car, but somebody else can do it. Similarly, the whole big thing, cosmic manifestation, I cannot do it, but somebody may do it.
Tamala Krishna: They are small-minded.
Ramesvara: It’s like you were saying for this philosopher, Sartre. We see our practical experience is that someone has less intelligence, someone has more intelligence. So we should understand that God means…
Prabhupada: The ultimate intelligence. That’s all.
Ramesvara: So now these governments are very rascal. They are cheating the people deliberately.
Prabhupada: Well, government means combination of cheaters like you. What do you expect more than that? If you are cheaters, then you go to the government. Someway or other get vote. Bribe or something nefarious you do and get vote, and they become cheap government man. And then do your business. Because you are cheater, you have come to the post of prestige and power. What you will do? You know simply only cheat.
Tamala Krishna: So he’ll cheat more.
Prabhupada: That’s all. You have now got the power. You cheat more.
Ramesvara: The people in America that claim that the American government is controlled by Communists. They say that these big, big bankers, the very rich, rich people, that they are actually…, their theory is Communist government, or, not Communist, dictatorship, and that they are secretly manipulating.
Prabhupada: What is their aim?
Ramesvara: Power.
Prabhupada: Power…, anyone who has got money, he has got power. That is open secret. What is the secret? (laughs) If you have got money, you have got all power.
Ramesvara: They’re very expert in making the people think that this is democracy and that the people have power. (static)
Prabhupada: If you can purchase vote by paying money, then where is democracy?
Ramesvara: Just like one of their arguments is that these rich bankers, they can control how much money is being printed.
Prabhupada: Yes, suppose I stand for presidency, and I take money from bank and bribe and get vote.
Ramesvara: So they can actually create, by their control, a depression.
Prabhupada: Yes, money can buy. The real thing is money. That is stated in the Bhagavata. Money is the criterion in the Kali-yuga. If you have got money, then you don’t require anything; you can purchase anything.
Ramesvara: Purchase justice.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, anything. That is stated in the Bhagavata. So therefore people are trying to get money somehow or other. Then he knows, “I get all power.” The present struggle is everyone is trying to get more, more, more, more money. Because everyone knows if I get money then I…. (static) Just like the Beatles and others. Actually what they have got qualification? They have got money. (static) That’s all. What qualification? Singer. Singer, according to Vedic culture, third-class, fourth-class man.
Tamala Krishna: Sudra.
Hari-sauri: Most of these famous guys, they are all really the lowest grade people as well. Very low grade.
Prabhupada: Otherwise, this John Lennon, how he dares to photograph naked with his lover? How lowest class man he is, that he has no shame even. And he’s also big man. Press reporters go to take his opinion on certain subject matters. They do not know where I am going to take opinion. What is the value of this man? But people are after money. Why? “I have got money.” That’s all.
Devotee: They hold great sway with the general public as well.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hari-sauri: One of the reasons why they did not want John Lennon to be allowed to stay in the United States is because they said that he had too much influence with the young people.
Prabhupada: Yes, he spoiled these. They are already spoiled, and (static) that the government has done nice thing. What is his value? But because he has got money (static) popularity, he has become big man.
Ramesvara: So there is this theory that there is a conspiracy all over the world that the rich men to control.
Prabhupada: That is, we say. If you have got money, you can make conspiracy or anything, whatever you like. Conspiracy I cannot make, I have no money, I cannot make conspiracy. But if I have got money, I can develop a conspiracy with my money. That one man asked, “Have you got any intelligence?” The man began to…. “Let me see.” “What is that?” “I am seeing my pocket.” “Why pocket?” “Intelligence means pocket.” If there is money in my pocket, then there is intelligence. Otherwise, there is no intelligence. And Canakya Pandita also said, daridra-doso guna-rasir nasi. A man may be very, very big, qualified man, but if he’s poor, everything’s finished. Daridra-doso guna-rasir nasi.
Ramesvara: So when they come to our temples and they see that the temple is very opulent, then they think we are intelligent.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krishna: Yes, they are more and more now.
Ramesvara: The church does this.
Tamala Krishna: More and more our society is getting respect because of the big buildings.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Ramesvara: New York.
Tamala Krishna: That’s why, I think your Guru Maharaja was in favor like that.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, he said that potthor katha ke usa cane gauri ber katha sundari(?) If you remain poor, then nobody will be…
Ramesvara: And this diorama project will also give us a lot of respect.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. We have got many things, stock. We shall exhibit gradually. We have got many things in stock.
Tamala Krishna: Many new ideas.
Prabhupada: First of all, I started the book. That is, by Krishna’s grace, it is becoming successful. Then diorama. Then I shall give next idea.
Tamala Krishna: This diorama is a major idea.
Prabhupada: (laughs)
Ramesvara: I brought the Time magazine people to see it. They were so impressed they wanted to come when the museum is open, to make a story.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Ramesvara: They never saw anything like it.
Prabhupada: Deal with them very nicely. We get publicity.
Ramesvara: It’s very costly.
Prabhupada: Never mind. Cost, Krishna will send money.
Tamala Krishna: This project here will cost, how much? About seventy…
Ramesvara: The actual project, without considering how much the devotees live on, forty thousand dollars.
Prabhupada: Never mind.
Ramesvara: That’s the budget for the project, not counting the devotee maintenance.
Tamala Krishna: More than that.
Prabhupada: Never mind. You can you can raise that four times price.
Tamala Krishna: So we don’t mind the cost?
Prabhupada: No.
Tamala Krishna: And the BBT is paying part of the…
Prabhupada: And at least, by tickets, people will pay ten dollars.
Ramesvara: Yes, that’s Bharadvaja’s idea, to tickets.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Otherwise, how we will raise the money? Book Fund cannot give.
Tamala Krishna: The Book Fund has been giving one half…
Ramesvara: But now…
Prabhupada: That can be given as loan, not for…
Tamala Krishna: As loan, the whole thing…
Ramesvara: Originally you told me wherever they go, the temple will pay fifty percent and the BBT will pay fifty percent.
Prabhupada: No, that is loan.
Ramesvara: Oh.
Tamala Krishna: It’s got to be a loan.
Prabhupada: BBT is, our policy is fifty percent for reprinting and fifty percent for temple. Nothing else.
Tamala Krishna: Strict.
Ramesvara: But that fifty percent for temple is only as loan.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ramesvara: Except in India (laughs), then it is gift.
Tamala Krishna: Because we are rich Americans.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is contribution to your Guru Maharaja.
Tamala Krishna: Right.
Ramesvara: (laughs) Jaya.
Tamala Krishna: That is our guru-daksina.
Ramesvara: There is just one problem, Srila Prabhupada. If the temple thinks that they are going to have to pay for the entire project, it is so costly that they don’t want to pay so much. They cannot afford. That’s why you originally…
Prabhupada: If they cannot pay, we are not going to hang them. But the condition is this: They must pay.
Tamala Krishna: Maybe for those who will not pay, we could do simple ones, just with the, a…
Prabhupada: We do not say that “If you cannot pay, I will hang you.” No. “Pay, try to pay.” (static) In our Hyderabad scheme, we have taken three, four lakhs loan from you. And he has taken, Jayapataka has taken, you know? Nobody has paid me. Till now. But there is promise they will pay.
Tamala Krishna: Yes, that’s good. At least the big temples, Ramesvara, in the beginning can certainly afford it.
Ramesvara: On a long-term basis.
Tamala Krishna: No, I won’t even, for New York, I won’t even take a loan.
Prabhupada: No, we can forward loan if it is absolutely necessary.
Tamala Krishna: I won’t need it. We have the money.
Prabhupada: Oh, this side also road is becoming…
Ramesvara: All the way down from the beach to downtown Los Angeles.
Tamala Krishna: Fixing it.
Ramesvara: This is going to be one of the main streets in Los Angeles.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is.
Tamala Krishna: That’s great.
Prabhupada: (japa) (end)
Room Conversation with Reporter, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976
When I interviewed you perhaps five or six years ago, it was before there were reports of the astronauts landing on the Moon, and I asked you at that time if you thought, what you thought about it, and you said that, as I recall, that they would not be able to land or explore, because spirits or creatures that lived on the Moon would not allow it. The reports of course said that indeed people did land and explore and return safely. I understand you have further thoughts about that (laughter) and you’ve even written a lot about it. I wonder if you could tell me, not at great length perhaps, but what your belief about those events is.
Prabhupada: Yes. From the…. That question I was discussing the other day. In the common sense, gross sense, that all over the world, they accept Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, in this way Saturday last. So why these arrangement? Sunday first and Monday second, and nobody could reply it. But as a layman I can conclude that Sun planet is first and the Moon planet is next. So if you cannot go to the sun planet, which is ninety-three million miles away, how you can go to the Moon planet within four days? Nobody could answer me. Can you answer?
[For some reason Bhaktivedanta Swami is no longer using his arguments about space suits, etc. The weekday name issue has already been addressed elsewhere in this document.]

Reporter: Well, I don’t think it’s worth the answer now, but I’m wondering what your response is.
But this is the arrangement all over the world. Sunday first, Monday second, then Tuesday. So Sun, Moon, Mars, Jupiter, in this way. Last Saturn. This is the arrangement of the planets. So if this is the arrangement of the planets, moonday next to…, Moon next to sun, and if you cannot go to the sun, how can you go to the Moon?
Do you, in other words, do you believe that astronauts landed somewhere?
That is next question. First of all, whether you actually went to the Moon, that is the first question. You have to conclude that you did not, because the sun planet is first, the Moon planet is second. You cannot go to the sun planet, ninety-three millions of miles, how can you go to the Moon planet?
Well, except that…
According to our sastra, the Moon planet is above the sun planet, and the distance is 1,600,000 miles. So accepting that the sun is 93,000,000 miles away, then you add another 1,600,000, almost 2,000,000, it becomes 15,000,000 miles away. So if you go at the speed of 18,000 miles per hour, it takes more than 6 months. So how you go there in 4 days? And you advertise in the paper: “Now, they have reached.” After 4 days.
They don’t accept that the Moon is further away.
They don’t accept, that is another thing, but we have got this information. How we can accept it?
I didn’t understand that last.
I said to Prabhupada that the modern man believes that the Moon is closer, but Prabhupada said, “But our ancient literatures teach that the Moon is further away.” So since we have that information, how can we accept the version of the modern scientists?
Hm hm.
We’ve got…
Not only that. Why this arrangement that Monday and, Sunday first, Monday second?
Well, that doesn’t necessarily speak of distance.
It doesn’t necessarily speak of distance.
That…. Distance may not be, but you have to accept the sun planet first, Moon planet next.
Distance is not the question. [???]
Why this arrangement: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday? There is some system. The system is, just like first, second, third, fourth. So it is naturally concluded the Moon planet is next to the sun planet.
Do you feel — maybe you answered this, but I didn’t understand the answer — do you feel that astronauts did land somewhere, but it was some other planet?
That may be. Or it may not be also.
Tamala Krishna:
What about that sometimes people ask us what about the pictures of man on the Moon?
They show man in a spacesuit walking on some other planet.
That is also, what is called, argumentative. Somebody says it is arbitrary arrangement.
Hm. Laboratory.
Of course, we do not go into the details of this. My question is that why Sunday first and Monday second? Nobody can apli…, replies.

Letter to: Purusottama, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976
What is the proof that they have gone to the Moon? Why they are not now utilizing it, and they simply remain quiet? They have simply squandered so much money but there is no proof that they went. A foolish man squanders and does nothing and still we are to believe that they are scientists? According to the Bhagavad-gita, yanti deva vrta devan . . . without the necessary qualification, namely visa, etc., one cannot even go to another country what to speak of another planet, and the Moon planet, Candraloka, being a heavenly planet, how can we accept that they have gone to the Moon? Our point is that they are accepting foolish men as scientists.

Morning Walk, Los Angeles, June 8, 1976
Yesterday you were telling a reporter that it is not possible for modern man to travel to the Moon, but in your Second Canto you describe that in a previous age of Kali the men had created mechanical means for going to other planets, and they were creating havoc all over the universe, and Lord Buddha appeared to stop their nonsense.
Prabhupada: Lord Buddha?
Ramesvara: I remember…. [break]
Prabhupada: …they are all mythology. Do they not say?
Ramesvara: Yes.
Prabhupada: Therefore, I’m stressing on this point, that it is not mythology. It is fact. It is history. [break]
Ramesvara: …they are sending their sputniks to…, with televisions.
Prabhupada: They can never stay there. They’re coming back.
Ramesvara: No.
Prabhupada: They cannot go there.
Ramesvara: But they have TV camera on the sputnik, and the sputnik is flying over the planet, and they are filming it, and they don’t see any life. That is their argument.
Prabhupada: No, we have got our own argument, that the other planet is as good as this planet. If this planet is full of life, why the other not? Analogy. Analogy is also another science.
Ramesvara: Sometimes, you write in the Krishna book that the demigods can come to this planet invisible.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ramesvara: So, if ordinary man went to some other planet through his sputnik, would he be able to see the demigods?
Prabhupada: No, why not? Some men arguing that…. Because he did not see, it does not mean there is no life. That they cannot say. Just like in the water we don’t see. Superficially.
Hrdayananda: Yeah, if they take a sputnik…
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hrdayananda: If they take a camera over the water, they won’t see any life.
Ramesvara: Or over the fire, they will not see any life on the sun…
Prabhupada: No.
Ramesvara: …with their camera.
Hrdayananda: Even over the earth, you can’t see any life. They took pictures of the earth.
Prabhupada: That, that is their defect, that their eyes are defective. They cannot go there. That they will not accept. The camera which they manufactured, that is also defective. Because you have manufactured it. You are defective. Your senses are defective. Therefore, in the Vedic literature: “Don’t try to see with your eyes, but try to see by ear, sruti.” Sastra-caksusa. You should accept as your eyes the sastras. Not your so-called eyes. (end)

Room Conversation, June 15, 1976, Detroit
Svarupa Damodara must be the best candidate. Others, what they’ll know about it? All other Ph.D.’s, they are simply rubber stamped. Actually they have no knowledge. Svarupa Damodara has solid knowledge. He has learned from us. Therefore he’s writing all these books. He has rejected his so-called scientific knowledge. He has completely understood that so-called scientific knowledge is bogus, it has no solid background. Now he’s writing books on this. Now this morning, last night also, I got hint from Bhagavatam, I told you in the morning? The sun planet is first. And nobody can reply this, that “Why Sunday first?” Nobody has replied this point. Sunday, Monday…. First of all Sunday, then Monday. Why not Monday, Sunday? That is according to the planetary arrangement. The Saturn is the last planet. That is admitted in the Bhagavatam. So sun is first, then Moon, then Mars, then Jupiter, like that, last, Saturn. That is everywhere. So why the modern scientists changing it? The Monday first or Moon first, sun second. Hmm? What is your reply. You sometimes support them.
Satsvarupa: Just for argument because (laughter) I’m always getting arguments, so I want to know how to give the right answer.
Prabhupada: That’s all right. What is your argument in this connection?
Satsvarupa: Well, just because Sunday comes before Monday, that’s an interpretation to say therefore the sun is nearer than the Moon. Sunday may be the first day of the week and then Monday, but that doesn’t mean the sun is closer than the Moon, just because Sunday is the first day of the week.
Prabhupada: No, why this arrangement? There must be some arrangement in planetary system. Just like first, second, third, fourth, fifth, like that. Therefore, Sunday’s first. Not whimsically. Suppose there is a system, first, second, third, fourth. So according to that, the dates are there. Not whimsically you first of all bring Saturn or first of all bring Jupiter. Not like that. You cannot do that. Why shall you do that? Therefore we are sitting, now, she’s first, he’s second, you are, like that. Not that although she is sitting there, he can be blocked here. No, everybody…. It is of course a very simple question, but it has got some intelligence. We must get some intelligent answer. Ordinary answer will not do. And so far, you know I have questioned so many persons, and they have not replied. Svarupa Damodara has not replied.
Pusta Krishna: He backed down from the challenge.
[And all this time it never occurred to Bhaktivedanta Swami that perhaps replies are not forthcoming because it is clear to anyone else but him that the argument is without any merit?]

Prabhupada: Now you all together make this Vedic planetarium very nice, so that people will come and see. From the description of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, you prepare this Vedic planetarium. How do you like this idea, Vedic planetarium?
Ambarisa: It seems like a very nice idea.
Prabhupada: You also like? So finance this project. (laughter) Vedic planetarium.
Ambarisa: Where will this be?
Prabhupada: Mayapura. My idea is to attract people of the whole world to Mayapura. So we are just trying to acquire three hundred fifty acres of land from the government. It is going on under consideration. Some men are against and some are in favor. But those who are against, they have counted ninety?
Hari-sauri: Ninety against, two thousand for.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Pusta Krishna: In Mayapura itself.
Hari-sauri: The local farmers.
Prabhupada: So all of you now make a complete idea how to make Vedic planetary, planetarium. Another question. Why in every map the northern side is accepted up? (laughter) Can anyone answer this? North, south. South is considered down. East, west. Why not other ways? I can make east on that side. Why it is north only up side? Can anyone answer?
Ambarisa: It might have something to do with the magnetic poles. The magnetic force is always pulling to the north.
Prabhupada: That is the polestar. Yes. That is the up side of the universe. And that we have described in the Bhagavatam. That is the pivot, and the whole planetary system is moving twenty-four hours.
Pusta Krishna: That’s factual also. Because they see that all of these stars and constellations are going around the North Star.
Prabhupada: But the modern astronomy, they do not say like that.
Jayadvaita: No. They don’t say it is moving around. They don’t say that it’s moving around the polestar. They have some other explanation.
Prabhupada: That means they’re imperfect.
Madhavananda: They say that it’s fixed. They say the polestar is fixed, but it doesn’t revolve around. They say everything moves, but the polestar is…
Prabhupada: Polestar is fixed, that is fact. And all…. It is like pivot. Everyone round, round. Urdhva-mulam adhah-sakham [BG 15.1]. This tree is spread downwards. The root is upward.
Pusta Krishna: The scientists also say all of the stars are moving around. But they don’t see the earth as moving around.
Prabhupada: Why not? What is this nonsense? If all the stars can move, what is the earth? That is their nonsense. Only earth is populated, everywhere is vacant. (laughter) In the Bhagavata it is said every planet is full of living entities. Jana-purna. Perhaps I have explained, in my recent…. jana-kirna. Jana-kirna means full of living entities.
Pusta Krishna: Last chapter of the Seventh Canto.
Prabhupada: Yes. And these rascals say there is no life in other…. Moon planet is accepted as the heavenly planet, and these rascals say “It is sand. And we have brought the sand.” It is one of the heavenly planets.
Jayadvaita: Some scientists have started a project. They are beaming radio messages into space because they think perhaps there is someone intelligent there, and they will beam back something.
Prabhupada: Their knowledge is “perhaps.” It is nonsense. They have no definite knowledge. “Perhaps.” Perhaps is not knowledge.
Pusta Krishna: We had one CIA agent. Previously, he was a CIA agent. I was told this story, I don’t know. Anyway, might as well relate it. So they were doing an experiment in the Bahama Islands off Florida. They were all very high intellects. They were developing a certain radio beam to measure the beams which are given off from other planets, thinking that maybe these intelligent beings, they are sending some message out. So they developed this way of sensoring the beams which were coming from the North Star. Anyway, he said — and he was serious, I was told this; he’s in India now, one of our devotees there — he said that when they focused on the North Star and they got the beam back, when they translated it, it came out to be the maha-mantra.
Prabhupada: Hare Krishna.
Pusta Krishna: Yes. And so they went to the Department of Intelligence, (laughter) and they went to the United States Army, because this was an army project, and when the Army got hold of it they said, “Oh, you people are all nonsense. Disband this project.”
Prabhupada: That is…. Narottama dasa Thakura has sung: golokera prema-dhana hari-nama-sankirtana. Hari-nama-sankirtana is not the mundane sound. It is coming from there. Golokera prema-dhana hari-nama-sankirtana. It is not material. Had it been material, then how it is so effective? That’s a fact. The sound is, beam is coming from there.
[Sadly, this is not an exception… Bhaktivedanta Swami would routinely blindly accept information like this from his disciples, without questioning its source or validity. The North Star lies in the constellation of Ursa Minor at a distance of 430 light years from Earth and actually consists of three stars: Polaris, Polaris A, and Polaris B. As radio waves travel near light speed it would have taken at least 860 years for a round trip from Earth to Polaris. Even without questioning what was “translated” it is clear that this story is total humbug.]

Garden Conversation, June 28, 1976, New Vrindaban
I was reading the other day where they have certain kinds of scientists who do nothing but make tastes out of chemicals. They say they can duplicate any taste, and they are very highly paid now for making synthetic foods taste like all other kinds of real foods.
Prabhupada: And they’ll not produce food.
Janahlada: They are not producing the food, no.
Prabhupada: In this way they are getting high salary, and we have to pay tax for that, income tax. This is going on. That means roguism. We have got money. Government will take it away and pay these rascals, scientific research. There are so many foundations in your country. If you ask them, “Give us some money for Krishna conscious,” “No, no, no, we don’t pay for anything. We pay to the scientists.” They will say.
Radhavallabha: Now they are going to Mars.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Radhavallabha: Now they are going to Mars planet. They have two ships heading for Mars, and they want one to land on July 4th.
Prabhupada: It has already started?
Radhavallabha: Yes. Now they have given up on the Moon. Now it is Mars.
Prabhupada: And the fools are paying for that.
Radhavallabha: Yes, millions of dollars.
Prabhupada: Just see. One attempt has already failed; again they are making attempt and spending like any…
Radhavallabha: Isn’t it impossible for them to reach Mars because it is a hellish planet?
Prabhupada: Who says it is hellish planet?
Radhavallabha: In Bhagavatam. It is described as inauspicious in Third Canto in the story of Varaha.
Prabhupada: Maybe. So first of all let them go. They cannot go. According to our calculation, Vedic calculation, the Moon is above sun planet, and the Mars is above Moon planet.
Radhavallabha: Oh. Then they would have to go past the sun.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Radhavallabha: Then they would have to go past the sun.
Prabhupada: No, no. First of all, according to their calculation, 93,000,000’s miles… So the Moon is above 1,600,000 miles. And again 1,600,000. So another three million miles above the sun, it becomes sixteen million miles. So if they cannot go to the sun planet, how they can go to the Mars? All bogus.
Rsi Kumara: I saw one scientist on television, and he was saying on Mars there are mountains that are very, very big, much bigger than the mountains on this planet, and there’s beautiful landscape, and they want to start a tourist industry, taking people back and forth.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krishna: They want to start a tourist industry on Mars, taking people back and forth.
Prabhupada: But there is no life.
Hari-sauri: They already sold the tickets to the Moon. Now they’re going to go on to Mars.
Radhavallabha: They say there is less advanced life, like plants.
Prabhupada: Why not more advanced life?
Radhavallabha: According to their speculation, they say that the atmosphere is…
Prabhupada: So that means speculation.
Radhavallabha: Well they have a system, so-called system, by using light.
Prabhupada: No, no, we find there are two kinds of living entities, sthavara and jangama. One kind of living entity, they cannot move, and one kind of living entity, they move. So just like here there is grass, there are trees and there are… We are also. There are many animals who can move. So why, if there are plants who are not moving, why not the other moving animals? This is commonsense reason. Everywhere we see two kinds of animals, moving and not moving. If the not-moving is there, why not the moving? What is the wrong there? This is our first question.
Radhavallabha: They say that under certain conditions, just like in…
Prabhupada: No, don’t, don’t find such conditions. That is a rascaldom. We don’t find such con… Anywhere you go, there are two kinds of living entities, moving and not moving.
Janahlada: One of the ways they tell whether there are advanced forms of life is if they can see vegetation growing on different planets in waves like the seasons, and if they can’t see that in an orderly pattern, then they conclude that there is no life, no advanced life.
Prabhupada: Why there is no vegetation? They say there is vegetation.
Radhavallabha: They say, lichens. Lichens are…
Prabhupada: That means not yet certain.
Radhavallabha: No, they admit they’re not certain.
Prabhupada: This is all… They’re misleading.
Hari-sauri: According to that report we read the other day, they had good information now that the atmosphere was water and ice, like that. So they were expecting to find some signs of life, and they were going to land a spaceship in a canyon which was just below the equator, just at the mouth of the canyon. And it’s four miles deep, and fifty thousand years ago it was filled with water, so they are expecting to find fossils there now.
Pusta Krishna: They’ve never been there, though. Speculation.
Radhavallabha: They never take into any consideration there can be another form of life other than that which they know.
Prabhupada: No, they are speculating. But why people are victimized by this speculation? That is the…
Pusta Krishna: That’s the amazing thing.
Prabhupada: They have already failed in one speculation. They went to Moon planet with some speculation. That has failed. Why they are given chance, another speculation?
Radhavallabha: Everyone believes that they went.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Radhavallabha: Everyone believes that they went.
Prabhupada: They went, but what is the benefit? What for they went?
Radhavallabha: For scientific exploration. They consider that very noble.
Prabhupada: Scientific exploration at the expense of these taxpayer?
Radhavallabha: They consider it a very noble cause to increase knowledge.
Prabhupada: That… The same story, that some frogs were there, and children was throwing stone. Then the frogs appealed, “Sir, why you are throwing stone upon us?” “No, we are playing.” “So what is play for you, it is death to us.” So these rascals are playing, and we have to pay heavy tax for that. This is going on. We are playing, making some scientific research, and who will pay for that? You. You work hard in the factory and pay tax. This is civilization. “You pay tax, and we spend it as we like.” Frivolity(?). This is going on. This is the government of Kali-yuga. What can you do?
Devotee (2): “In God We Trust.”
Prabhupada: “What is play to you is death to us.” And “Never mind. You die. We play.” They have already spent so much money, Moon exploration. And that has stopped now, no benefit. They brought some sand and some rock, satisfied. Again the same thing with Mars. But we can say from our poor knowledge that as they have failed in the Moon planet, they will fail also in the Mars. Take it down. Note now. Do you know this is all bluff?
Radhavallabha: In Los Angeles papers they quoted you saying that, that they didn’t go to the Moon.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Radhavallabha: They quoted you as saying this in Los Angeles, in a newspaper. Also your Monday-Tuesday example, Sunday-Monday. They put that in the newspaper.
Prabhupada: Nobody can answer that. The common sense. Can any one of you answer why Sunday first and Monday next? You are one of the scientists. Why don’t you say? It is commonsense question, “Why Sunday first and next…?” All over the world. In the human society, everywhere you go, they will say Sunday first, Monday second. In India Ravivara. Ravi. Ravi means sun. And Somavara. Somavara means Monday. The planetary system is so arranged, first of all sun, then Moon. Then Mars, then Saturn, Saturday. Saturn is last. Even Svarupa Damodara has not answered.
Pusta Krishna: He cannot meet the challenge.
Prabhupada: Any scientist here who can answer why Sunday first and Monday second?
Janahlada: I’m not a scientist, but I always thought that the ancients thought that the sun was first because without telescopes or without light-measuring instruments it was bigger and it looked closer.
Prabhupada: That’s a fact. Sunday is first, and Monday-Moon is beyond sun. If they accept that nobody can approach sun, then how they can approach Moon? In calculation, eighteen thousand miles per hour, and if the Moon is situated 95,000,000 miles, then how they can go in four days? These are my questions. They have not been answered. It takes at least seven months. And they went in four days, and the man’s mother… His photograph was there. She said, “At last my son has gone there.” You have seen that photograph? I have seen it. Mother was satisfied. This is going on.

Room Conversation, July 6, 1976, Washington, D.C.
Devotee (2):
But they cheated when they said they went to the Moon.
Prabhupada: Yes, they’re cheaters, those who have got imperfect senses, they’re all cheaters. If they say something, “Definitely this is like this,” that is cheating.
Devotee (2): But how can so many cheat?
Prabhupada: So many cheat?
Devotee (2): Together. Together they all cheat, they all say they went to the Moon. One thousand scientists, all together in one room? They all say, “We agree, this, they went to the Moon, here’s the…”
Prabhupada: Therefore I say that if we can prove that the Moon is beyond sun, then all these cheaters will be (indistinct), by one stroke.
Devotee (2): It’s a great cheating effort, then. Must be a very great effort that they cheated everybody like this. Because so many scientists were fooled.
Prabhupada: Scientists…
Devotee (2): They…
Prabhupada: So many are… Because they’re speculating. No valid knowledge.
Visakha: It seems that since they have imperfect senses, they’re unable to perceive…
Prabhupada: It is impossible to say anything scientifically. So-called scientifically.
Visakha: So they cannot perceive that there is somebody with perfect senses.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Visakha: They deny that there is someone with perfect senses.
Prabhupada: So they may, but we have got. Our knowledge is parampara. That Krishna says, whatever He says is all right. Krishna is not common man, avajananti mam mudha manusim tanum asritam [BG 9.11]. He’s not man at all He’s Supreme Personality of Godhead. Abhijnah. Experience in everything.
Svarupa Damodara: We agree that we have more limited senses…
Prabhupada: He’s a scientist, he knows.
Svarupa Damodara: Scientists also, when we talk together…
Prabhupada: They know that they’re talking nonsense, but they still want to cheat, to get their salary, that’s all. This is the position.
Hari-sauri: That’s a fact.
Prabhupada: Because they know, we can cheat these rascals, government. They are all rascals, we can simply talk in some bombastic words (speaks gibberish). They’ll believe it. This is going on. All imperfect knowledge.
Hari-sauri: If they don’t produce some new theory, or some new discovery…
Prabhupada: That means they prove their own foolishness. Why do you produce new theory? If there is perfect knowledge? That proves their foolishness.
Svarupa Damodara: It’s also called intellectual exercise.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Svarupa Damodara: They want to…
Hari-sauri: Mental speculation.
Prabhupada: That’s all. Manorathena. Asati dhavato bahih. Mental speculation.

Room Conversation, July 10, 1976, New York
Other news, after Mars? No?
Svarupa Damodara: I haven’t seen the newspapers yet. Might have some more, been taking pictures, photographs.
Tamala Krishna: Prabhupada explained that the picture they took of Mars, they now say that there’s…, they pointed out that there’s a similar canyon, the Grand Canyon, in Arizona. So they were reporting like this, and Prabhupada said this is an indication that actually it is a picture of, they have unintentionally they have let out the information that actually the photo is simply a photograph of the Grand Canyon.
Hari-sauri: He gave an example. There’s a man in his room at night, and he hears a noise. So he says “Oh, what’s that sound?” And then back comes the reply, “I am not stealing.” So no one asked the man to say what he was doing, but he unintentionally let it out what he was actually doing there. He just asked what the noise was, but he said “I am not stealing.” So in the same way no one asked them to say anything about Arizona, but they let it out.
Prabhupada: They have disclosed unintentionally. That is going on. It is beyond their dream to go either to the Moon planet or Mars planet. It is not possible. Not nowadays I say — I said it ten years ago.
Svarupa Damodara: We’re going to have a difficult time, with the scientists, about the Moon.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Svarupa Damodara: We’re going to have a difficult time about this Moon and the sun relationship.
Tamala Krishna: Sunday, Monday.
Svarupa Damodara: This is a lifelong project. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Nobody could answer, a simple question. (Hari-sauri explains “Sunday, Monday” question to Svarupa Damodara in background(?)) According to Vedic astronomical calculations, sun is first.
Svarupa Damodara: But does it have to do anything with distance, Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Svarupa Damodara: Does it have to do anything with the distance? As the sun is recorded first?
Prabhupada: No, according to them if sun is first, then it will be ninety-three million miles. And if the Moon is still away, one million six hundred thousand miles, it becomes ninety-five million miles. How they are going ninety-five millions of miles in four days?
Svarupa Damodara: No, on that ground it is reasonable to know that they couldn’t go there, but…
Prabhupada: Therefore I say they couldn’t go there. Their asset is Arizona, that’s all. All this propaganda is gone, and at last they wanted to satisfy by delivering some sand and rock, that’s all. Actually the business was not done.
Hari-sauri: They say even if there’s life on another planet, at most it could be bacteria.
Prabhupada: Nonsense. If bacteria is there, why not others?
Hari-sauri: Well the thing is that if they say that there’s other life, then they’d have to show it. But they don’t know what’s there because they’ve never been. So they have to show either there’s no life and here’s some rocks, which they got from this planet, or at most there’s only bacteria, which they can also produce here and say it’s there. But they can’t show any advanced life because they don’t know.
Prabhupada: They have never gone. Simply bluff. That is my point.
Rsi-kumara: Whenever they don’t know something, they say it doesn’t exist.
Prabhupada: I have got evidence, our Vedic literature.
Svarupa Damodara: We have other informations other than Srimad-Bhagavatam?
Prabhupada: Huh?
Svarupa Damodara: We have other evidences?
Prabhupada: We have evidence from astronomy, Jyoti-sastra. Jyoti-sastra.

Morning Walk, San Francisco, July 21, 1975
In Stockholm, Prabhupada, in the museum, they have a whole room, and in the room there is all these… There’s American flag and Swedish flag, and there’s a whole exhibit with one teeny little rock about as big as my finger nail that the Americans gave the Swedes. It’s supposed to be a rock from the Moon. And they said in it that it’s exactly as any kind of rock that you’ll find on earth. (laughter)
Prabhupada: They say? It is simply cheating. They found this in Arizona, somebody… (laughter) And laboratory work.
[Of course, “they said” is not clarified, nor where in Arizona the rocks came from, or even where this information came from (other than the mention of an ambiguous “somebody”). Between 1969 and 1972 Apollo missions brought back 842 pounds of lunar rocks, core samples, pebbles, sand and dust from the lunar surface. The six space flights returned 2,196 individual specimens from six sites on the Moon. These specimens have been processed into more than 97,000 individually cataloged samples. The lunar sample laboratory at Johnson Space Center is the chief repository for the Apollo samples where pristine lunar samples are prepared for shipment to scientists and educators. More than 60 laboratories worldwide actively pursue sample studies; some 1,100 samples are sent out to researchers annually. Over the last 30 years thousands of geologists from all over the world have analyzed these samples and found that they are like nothing else on Earth. There has never been presented any proof of any rocks from Arizona being identical to any of the specimens of Moon rocks. It has been suggested that researchers could not tell the difference between fake and authentic rocks since no one had ever examined a Moon rock before. This claim is utter nonsense. In addition to the rocks returned by Apollo, there are samples of lunar rocks that have fallen to Earth as meteorites (which are very rare, with only about 30 known samples). Tests have shown the Apollo Moon rocks and the meteorites are of identical origin; however, the Apollo samples lack other features that would distinguish them as meteorites, such as scorching and oxidation. Also, the Moon rocks have characteristics that are not found in terrestrial or artificial rocks, such as evidence of meteoroid bombardment and exposure to cosmic rays. Likewise, terrestrial rocks have unique characteristics not found in the Moon rocks, such as weathering and exposure to water. Finally, the Moon rocks returned by Apollo have been determined to be between 3.1 and 4.4 billion years old.]

Bahulasva: I have been trying to arrange a meeting between Your Divine Grace and that astronaut. He was going to come to Rathayatra, but he had to go to Florida for some space project.
Prabhupada: What does he say, astronaut?
Bahulasva: He says that… His name is Edgar Mitchell, and he was one of the men who went to the Moon. But we talked, and he said… He thinks he has gone to the Moon. But he said that when he was there, he had a religious experience, and he felt that there was a God. When he went to the Moon, he had this experience. So when he came back, he was telling all his scientist friends what his experience was. So they became very afraid, and they kicked him out of the space project. They thought he had become a fanatic, religious sentimentalist, so they kicked him out. So now he has opened up an institute for noetic sciences or… It is some Greek word. It means like spiritual sciences. He wants to prove to the scientific world that there is God.
[Navy Captain Dr. Edgar Mitchell was never kicked out of any program. He partook in the Apollo 14 mission from January 31st until February 9th, 1971, and was the 6th man to walk on the Moon. He retired honorably from the Navy in 1972 and founded the Institute for Neotic Sciences. They make it emphatically clear that they are “not a spiritual association, political-action group, or a single-cause institute.” He never spoke of God during his experience in outer space, but rather of “a sense of universal connectedness” and that the cosmos itself was somehow conscious.]

Prabhupada: That’s nice. He is good.
Bahulasva: So we gave him a copy of Easy Journey to Other Planets and Srimad-Bhagavatam, and he’s been reading that. He is friends with that other scientist, Wernher Von Braun, who gave that speech also saying that he feels that there is definitely God by his scientific studies. We also wrote him a letter, but we haven’t gotten any response. Svarupa Damodara prabhu wrote him also.
[In September of 1975, Wernher von Braun was already 62 years old and in bad health. He died of pancreatic cancer on June 16th, 1977.]

Morning Walk, Bombay, November 3, 1975
Dr. Patel:
I have heard that the man could have first landed on Moon and then…
Prabhupada: Nobody landed. This is all bogus.

Morning Walk, Bombay, November 13, 1975
[break]…strength of sastra we are challenging that “You have never gone to the Moon planet.” Who can do so? The whole world is accepting they have gone to Moon planet, and we are challenging, “You have never gone to Moon.” Hare Krishna. Thank you very much.

Morning Walk, Los Angeles, June 4, 1976
Tamala Krishna:
But what about the people, like the men on the ship who say they have jumped on the Moon? Are they lying and being paid off, or are they just…. What, I mean what is the actual position? Some men are getting on a television saying, “We landed there, it was like this, it was like that.”
Prabhupada: No, I saw that television, at that time, the whole thing broke wrong. There was a press representative. He protested. I was protesting from the beginning, but they could not show how they jumped, at the last. Going, going, going, but at the time of jumping, melancholy. Ceylon jumping melancholy.
Tamala Krishna: But I mean they do, these men who are space travelers, they say “We did land on the Moon.” Now are they lying?
Prabhupada: No, they, but the television was showing. They could not show this.
Tamala Krishna: Jumping on the Moon?
Prabhupada: That was not shown.
Candanacarya: They may be hypnotized also.
Hrdayananda: Prabhupada said they’d gone to Rahu.
Ramesvara: They have got that dust. They say they got that from another planet.
Prabhupada: Dust you can take it from here, from this beach.
Ramesvara: So then they’re lying.
Prabhupada: Yes.
[Bubble-scope: Bhaktivedanta Swami’s personal experience defines the limits of substance and events. Dust everywhere else must be like dust as he knows it to be. Sand everywhere else must be like sand as he knows it to be. Etc.]

Room Conversation, New Vrindaban, July 2, 1976
Pusta Krishna:
Their theory is that there’s a dark side of the Moon that we’ve never seen.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Pusta Krishna: Their theory is that there’s a dark…, that actually the Moon is reflecting the sun’s light. So there’s a dark side of the Moon.
[This shows how badly informed some devotees were who dabbled in this topic. First of all, “dark side” is really a misnomer. More about that later. Second, already in 1959, Russia’s spacecraft Luna 3 returned the first picture of the far side. Then in 1968, astronauts Borman, Lovell, and Anders saw the far side of the Moon with their own eyes as their Apollo 8 spacecraft circumnavigated the Moon.]

Prabhupada: So far the world is, where is the dark side and the bright side? If you compare like that, then so far this globe is concerned, which one is dark side, which one is bright side?
Hari-sauri: No, they say the earth is spinning on its own axis, so all parts of the earth at one time or another receive sunlight.
Prabhupada: The Moon does not do that?
Hari-sauri: The Moon does not revolve on its own axis.
Prabhupada: Another foolishness.
Pusta Krishna: Just to fit their speculation.
[The real foolishness is the statement that the Moon does not revolve around its axis. It does, but the rotation of the Moon around its axis is synchronized with its orbital period. Thus it always shows the same face to the Earth. As it rotates, all of its sides receive light of the sun, hence there is no “dark” side. What we call the far side is illuminated by the sun during the new Moon phase.]

Prabhupada: Just see. Simply speculation and misleading people.
Hari-sauri: There’s no basis for it, there’s no truth to it at all. (laughs)
Prabhupada: And you people believed that? I’m surprised. (laughter) You are also fools and rascals.
Hari-sauri: This is what they teach in all the schools.
Pusta Krishna: They have little models, Srila Prabhupada, made out of plastic.
Prabhupada: Ah, they are… Let them, we take them as rascals, that’s all. Mudha.
Hari-sauri: That other argument that you use about how the Moon rays give life to the vegetables… So how is it that there’s no life on the Moon? If the rays from the Moon give life, then how is it there’s no life where the rays come from?
Prabhupada: They have never gone to Moon. (laughs) All bogus. And this Mars expedition will be a failure. Let them spend millions of dollars. I told about Moon planet ten years ago. It is childish, simply a waste of money and energy. I told this. Now it has proved.
[What Mars expedition is being referred to here, or whether they constitute a waste of money and energy, is beside the point; what needs to be observed is that over the last couple of decades there have been several very successful unmanned Mars expeditions — notably the Mars Pathfinder Project and the recent Twin Mars Rovers.]

Hari-sauri: There’s no more interest in the Moon at all.
Prabhupada: No? Kirtanananda said “It is inhabitable.” Ten years ago I said there’s no use going there. It is childish, waste of money. But who hears about us? We know Moon planet is inhabited by high-class living entities. (laughs) (sarcastically:) And they will allow these rascals to go by their machine.
Hari-sauri: When they originally started sending sputniks to the Moon, they couldn’t even land them properly. They would crash, they said that they were crash-landing spaceships into the Moon’s surface.
Prabhupada: Crashed?
Hari-sauri: Crash-landing. The spaceship was supposed to just smash into the surface of the Moon, like that.
Prabhupada: They have never gone. Simply propaganda. Even they have gone, what is the result? Simply with big report that it is inhabitable.

BG 15.15, New Mayapur (French farm), August 5, 1976
The question is, Srila Prabhupada, yesterday you told to that gentleman that the scientists, they thought that they have been on the Moon planet, but does that actually mean they went to another planet than the Moon planet?
Prabhupada: They might have gone to hell, I do not know. (laughter) We have no interest in such things. What profit will be there. Who is asking this question?
Hari-sauri: This boy from Africa.
Prabhupada: So what gain we’ll get? You are here in this France and… Don’t be, I mean to say, subject to this unnecessary… What is the profit? Be practical man. What is the profit there. Suppose they have gone to hell or Moon, but what is the profit? Why don’t you study practically? What profit do we get? If after spending millions of dollars, if you have brought some sand, the sand is available so much here. So what is the profit? Just like the Moon planet is there in such a vast sky. That is one corner, an insignificant corner it is occupying. So even if you go there, then what about the vast sky? What can you do? So be practical. What is the use of wasting time in that way? But as we say, that you can go to the Moon planet. For that you have to prepare in a different way. Not that you get a small tricycle and go to the Moon. (laughter) That is foolishness. So in our childhood also we were imagining, “I have got this tricycle, I shall go to Europe, I shall go to the West, or…” It is like that.

Evening Conversation, Tehran, August 8, 1976
Just like this Moon excursion. Ten years ago in one small book, Easy Journey to Other Planets, we predicted that this Moon-going attempt is childish and waste of time. We are not expert scientist, but from the sastra we can understand. Now such a brilliant planet, pleasing, and they have discovered there rocks and sand. Just see their intelligence. Do you think rocks and sand are so brilliant? What do you think?
[One of the most obvious characteristics of lunar soil, or regolith, is that it is extremely reflective. It consists mostly of fine dust particles and tiny glass spheres that tend to reflect light straight back to its source. Combined with the fact that there is no atmosphere to scatter light, the surface of the Moon acts as a very effective reflector of light.]

This bluff is going on. People are feeling under the moonshine is so pleasing, and it is full of rocks and sand. We have to accept that. Rocks and sand, throughout the whole day by scorching heat, they also become heated. So at night it is suffering. So if it is rocks and sand, so whole day it was heated by the sunshine, how it is pleasing?

Letter to: Dr. W.H. Wolf-Rottkay, Chandigarh, 14 October, 1976
Regarding the scientists, we have entrusted our own three scientists namely Svarupa Damodara, Sadaputa, and Madhva and we leave the matter to them, we do not say anything ourselves, but are leaving it to them. But there are many common men who do not believe that they have gone to the Moon planet. So as common men we can simply say, how can dust and rocks reflect so much of light as to illuminate the night, like the sun at day. It is simply bogus to say that the Moon is full of dust and rocks. Such a beautiful soothing planet is full of dust and rock with no living beings there is simply unbelievable. You are a learned scholar, do you think it is believable that dust and rocks can illuminate the whole universe at night. It is so soothing and beautiful.

SB 5.5.10-13, Vrindavana, November 1, 1976
Of course, these rascals, they are finding only stones and rocks in other planets. They have got everything only in this planet. And you have to believe them. Wherever they are going, in the Moon planet or in the Mars planet, what do they see? Simply rocks and sands. But that is not the fact. Each and every planet is full of living entities, janata(?).

SB 5.5.10-13, Vrindavana, November 1, 1976
Just as Moon planet, that atmosphere is different. Otherwise how it is possible that the Moon planet, it is so nice, soothing rays is coming? And why not from the sun? The sun is differently constructed, different rays. It is God’s arrangement. In daytime you require sunshine, and you become tired, so at nighttime there is very soothing moonshine. You becomes pacified, cleansed, soothing. Why the sun and the Moon, if they are vacant or something, like that…? They do not know vasudhadi-bhinnam. Each and every planet is differently constructed. They do not know. These rascals, they are passing as scientists and simply giving this conclusion, that “Every planet is full of dust and rocks.” If dust and rocks, then why from the sunshine so much heat is coming, and why from the moonshine so soothing and pleasing shine is coming? These rascals, they do not know. And they are passing as scientists. I call them directly rascals, simply, set of rascals. They have never gone to the Moon planet. They do not know what are the different position of the different planets. Simply they are, I mean to say, cheating people to get good salary. That’s all. And in the name of scientist.

BG 16.8, Hyderabad, December 16, 1976
Big, big asuras like Ravana, he also wanted to be happy himself and others by material adjustment. He proposed that “There is no need of acting piously to go to the heavenly planet. I shall construct a staircase so anyone can go.” Ravanera svargesvari. So that was failure. Just like we are now trying, the modern scientists. We are trying to go to the Moon planet. It is failure. They will never be able to go there. I have discussed this point. We are conditioned. We cannot live one place to another without being proficient or without being eligible. Just like even in this planet you cannot go to the other country. Suppose from India if we want to go to America, it requires arrangement, not that all of a sudden you can go to America or the Americans come here. There is international arrangement, visa, passport, immigration, so many things. So many obstacles are there even in this planet, and what to speak of going to other planet. It is not possible. You must be efficient; then you can go.

Bhu-mandala Diagram Discussion, July 2, 1977, Vrindavana
And they are going to the Moon. (devotees laugh) I… So far I remember, the Moon is also like the sun, that it is fire blazing, but it is surrounded by a cool atmosphere. Therefore it is soothing. I think there is such description.
Bhakti-prema: Srimad-Bhagavatam says the Moon is also (indistinct).
Tamala Krishna: How far do they, the scientists, say the Moon is from the earth? How long? I have a book which says it, and I’m bringing this book. It’s very… You’ll see it here.
Bhakti-prema: Twenty-four lakhs miles.
Tamala Krishna: Twenty-four lakhs miles, the scientists say?
Bhakti-prema: No.
Tamala Krishna: What do the scientists say? How…?
Prabhupada: Two lakhs.
Tamala Krishna: Two lakhs miles, 250,000 miles. So that means about, in yojanas, very little, about 25-, 30,000 yojanas.
Yasoda-nandana: They say the sun is 93,000,000 away.
Bhakti-prema: I think the difference of the (indistinct).
Tamala Krishna: They have froglike brains.
Prabhupada: That, the microscope… What is called? Telescope.
Tamala Krishna: This is the book of the rascal scientists. They describe the solar system according to their nonsense. The solar system… Gives all the calculations. They calculated how much it weighs on each planet. (laughs) They haven’t even been there. They say that each planet has moons. Says here… This is how scientific they are. “Pluto was discovered only in 1930, and as yet, little is known about this remote planet. Pluto is much smaller than Neptune and has a diameter probably about…”
Prabhupada: “Probably.”
Tamala Krishna: “…half the size…”
Prabhupada: “Probably.”
Tamala Krishna: “The orbit of Pluto is extremely elliptical, and the day is some 6,109 hours long. There is probably no atmosphere, and there are no known humans.”
Prabhupada: “Probably.” Their science is “probably.” Probably it is science; otherwise it is nonsense. (laughter)
Tamala Krishna: It says here, “The Moon is 238,860 miles from the earth. It has no atmosphere, no weather and no wind.”
Prabhupada: “Probably.” Everything “probably.”
Tamala Krishna: It says here, “There is thick dust covering and no evidence to suggest that the Moon has ever supported life.” In that newspaper article the man who is exposing them said — because they say it is covered by dust — “How is it that no dust is shown on the astronauts’ suits when they walked around?” He says, “If there’s such a thick dust, then, when the rocket landed, it would have made a pocket within that dust.” He says, “But there’s no crater around the rocket. Then how it is possible that these things are like that?” ‘Cause actually they forgot. When they were making the stage setting in Arizona, they forgot these things.
[This refers to Bill Kaysing’s Moon-hoax arguments, which are apparently readily accepted without further scrutiny as if Kaysing is some kind of guru with better credentials and qualifications than NASA and other world scientists.]

Yasoda-nandana: One argument Your Divine Grace gave in 1971 was that if they went to the Moon and they found it was rock, how do they explain the Moon is so shiny and gives such a cooling effect? They cannot explain that.
[There are very detailed explanations of why the Moon is shiny. As to the cooling effect, the Moon is mostly visible at night, when temperatures are already dropping naturally. Incidentally, the coolest nights are new Moon nights (when the Moon is not visible) and cloudless nights.]

Tamala Krishna: Look at the earth. Now, this is a real question that we still have to answer. They picture the earth round, and we say, no. Bhu-mandala is like a lotus, like this, and the earth is only one part of one island in Bhu-mandala, and it’s not, you know, it’s not round(?). It doesn’t look like that. And all the pictures they take of the earth when they go up in their satellites show round. And we’re going to tell them that it’s not. This is a very tricky question. In other words, if this is the picture of the world, like this, and we say that… If we take an airplane from here, from Los Angeles. Now, supposing we go to India, which is here. So there’s two ways to go. One way, you can go like this, and the other way, you can go like that. But if the earth is not a round globe, then how is it sometimes people go from Los Angeles via Hawaii to Japan and then India? So we can’t figure this out. We have experience, those of us who have flown, that actually the plane went from Los Angeles to Hawaii to Tokyo to Hong Kong and then to India. So it doesn’t work out in our maps so far, right? We can’t figure it out. This thing has to be very complete in its answers. Otherwise everyone will laugh at us. We can’t leave any loopholes.
Prabhupada: So are you thinking on this?
Bhakti-prema: In the Srimad-Bhagavatam… According to Srimad-Bhagavatam, it is (indistinct).
Prabhupada: Find out from our side, according to Bhagavatam.
Bhakti-prema: Scientists are lacking in the main points.
Prabhupada: Yes. They “probably,” so many theories.
Bhakti-prema: There is… Srimad-Bhagavatam gives that about Himalaya. Himalaya is 80,000 miles high, 16,000 miles wide. That means covering more than earth, more area than (indistinct).
Tamala Krishna: Then it’s not so much. In other words, the Himalaya Mountains are here, according to our, this yellow here is the Himalayas. This is a map, showing all the mountains. So according to Srimad-Bhagavatam, how long do they stretch?
Bhakti-prema: Sixteen thousand miles wide.
Tamala Krishna: So the Himalayas are 16,000 miles wide. Sixteen thousand miles is a huge area, beyond this whole area. So according to the Bhagavatam, this should be all Himalayas.
Bhakti-prema: Yes, then it is coming this side, up to Canada, all Himalayas.
Tamala Krishna: So what is the explanation?
Bhakti-prema: And bring this from there and there, there are nine islands. From each, divided one between (indistinct). They say that it’s 8,000 miles. (indistinct)
Tamala Krishna: And how high is the Himalayan Mountains?
Bhakti-prema: Eighty thousand miles.
Tamala Krishna: Ten thousand yojanas, 80,000 miles. Here it says that “The highest mountain is Mount Everest, 29,000 feet.” Not very high. That’s about six miles. And we are saying 80,000 miles. So we want to know where is that. How high is Govardhana supposed to be?
Bhakti-prema: Govardhana (indistinct). Govardhana mountain is sinking.
Prabhupada: Sinking.
Bhakti-prema: Crushed by (indistinct). [break]
Tamala Krishna: So the Rand McNally’s Illustrated World Atlas, its special feature is that it gives maps describing all different subjects like language. What language is spoken throughout different places is the world is shown by map and the national areas, according to size, population, and cities, major populations, densities of population. Like China is supposed to be… China. This shows proportionately in population according to this and India, it says that it is… Everything else is very small compared to these two, India and China. Agriculture, what kind of agriculture, natural vegetation, climate… [break]
Bhakti-prema: But there was no Atlantic Ocean, Indian Oceans, no. But after that, there were sixteen thousand sons of Sagara Maharaja. Then their sacrificial hearth was stolen by Indra. So it was put somewhere in the earth folds. They began to dig the earth to find out that hearth. So they dug other oceans, (indistinct) Kapila Muni (indistinct), and it explains the curse(?) that he is the chief. And then there’s…
Tamala Krishna: It says here that “Only our knowledge of the crust of the earth is based on direct observation, but studies of paths of earthquake waves…” Then it goes… The only way they can understand is by direct observation. And that’s very limited. Says, “All the planets were probably formed at much the same time.” It doesn’t sound like they have very much knowledge, Srila Prabhupada. Everything is “probably,” “maybe.” Says that “Probably all the planets were formed at much the same time from the same great dust cloud.” After you create this planetarium, Srila Prabhupada, they’ll have to rewrite all of these books. These businesses…
Bhakti-prema: Another book has to be written. Its name should be Easy-to-Read Geography or Advanced Geography. And also about history we have to write. Your Divine Grace will write Advanced History, and there the complete lifetime of Manus and Indras should be given.
Tamala Krishna: According to the modern thinkers, any further back than about three or four thousand years ago, everyone was living in the caves. So they think that all of our books are mythology, some dreamt-up stories by some people…
Prabhupada: So how they are writing of millions of years ago?
Tamala Krishna: This is all according to their mythology.
Prabhupada: No, they are suggesting.
Tamala Krishna: And, of course, they say that there were no humans around, just dust and water and earth. There were no brains at that time.
Prabhupada: Only brains are developed now.
Tamala Krishna: Yeah, especially now, this century. Before this, everybody was unintelligent, and now man’s brain is developing to a higher and higher degree, and he can finally understand what is what. I don’t think that… Your descriptions, especially this planetarium, will at first meet with a lot of heavy reaction. It is not going to be embraced immediately very favorably. It means that everyone who calls himself a Ph.D. is a fool, that students will laugh at their teachers, if what we say is correct. There will be chaos in educational circles. (Prabhupada chuckles)
Prabhupada: All right.
Devotees: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. (end)

Letter to Tirthanga dasa, September, 1977
If you believe whatever the material so-called scientists are saying, that is your business, but I do not believe any of their so-called observations in outer space by the blunt material senses can be true without any doubt… They have spent simply millions of dollars to make a show of their so-called learning and the result is a handful of dust, that’s all… Even it is true that they have landed on the Moon, so what is their accomplishment? If I come to Earth planet and land in the Sahara desert, then I say, “Oh, this planet is a barren desert, no one lives here?” The Moon may be like that or like this, so what does that help to our Krishna consciousness movement. We have nothing to do with Moon planet or this planet and that planet in Krishna consciousness. We simply want to serve to Krishna, that’s all.